GodsGrace
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You've said this.You said I tell you that you worry about your salvation every day.
That I must worry about losing my salvation.
NOT
That you say it every day.
What is the difference between eternal security, once saved always saved, and perseverance of the saints?
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That I must worry about losing my salvation.
NOT
That you say it every day.
mailmandan
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Oh. I don't recall saying that but thanks for clarifying.
GodsGrace
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Oh, the memories!
GodsGrace
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No problem!Oh. I don't recall saying that but thanks for clarifying.
I get told this a lot...
Foster
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What's really cool is that we are all entitled to our own opinion. I gave you mine. "Faith and saving faith are related concepts but differ in their implications and context within religious belief."
There are many religions that believe and have faith in a god but that's not going to save them.
When Jesus was a child the villagers could have faith in believing He was the son of Joseph and Mary. That faith didn't save them.
As an adult Jesus said in Luke 4
20. Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him, 21. and He began by saying, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” 22. All spoke well of Him and marveled at the gracious words that came from His lips. “Isn’t this the son of Joseph?” they asked.…
In the next three years many would come to a Saving Faith in Jesus believing that He is the Son of God and they got saved.
One faith is head knowledge and the is faith by grace.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
Selah
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Faith in Jesus is saving faith.
GodsGrace
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Hi Foster...
Is it really cool that we could all have our own opinion?
Is there no TRUTH in Christianity?
But that's a different discussion.
I think that I understand the misunderstanding here and I'll try to explain.
OK
And here is the problem at hand.
What YOU are saying and what I THINK your original post to which I replied was saying are two different ideas.
1. There is THE faith...that would be the Christian faith.
2. Then there is FAITH...which is personal belief in God.
If you're breaking it down in this way,,,then I can agree with your explanation.
If, instead, you're saying that there are two different types of FAITH (not THE faith)
then I'll have to disagree.
We are of the Christian faith, so there's no need to discuss this.
Some persons claim that there is FAITH, number 2....
and within THIS faith there are two levels:
FAITH
and
SAVING FAITH
When the bible speaks about FAITH,,,it is referring to number 2.
There is only one level of faith, and that is faith.
If one has faith in God...it IS saving faith.
Yes. I believe you're speaking about THE FAITH...the Christian faith,,,as in number 1.
In Luke 4:20....which you posted, I'd say that one could have a head knowledge of Jesus, but that person will not be brought to salvation.
I think you're speaking about BELIEVING....one could believe that Jesus existed...
But not believe IN Jesus.
However, we have to be careful here too...
because even BELIEVE in the NT means a saving belief.
Acts 16:31 What must we do to be saved?
BELIEVE in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
OK. Agreed. But notice that even in Ephesians 2:8-9, which you posted, it states that we are saved through FAITH...
not through THE faith.
I'd stick to faith and not confuse the matter with saving faith...
ditto for believe.
I'd go with what the bible teaches...
men seem to make everything more complicated.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Faith in JESUS is saving faith
Abraham beleived GOD .
Faith in another jesus is dead .
For whom a man loveth is whom he believes and obeys .
No me , not you , have SEEN JESUS with our naked eyes .
But we sure do have MANY of HIS teachings in said bible
and the sad thing is
i see many trying to omit quite a few of them sayings
As they heed this other jesus so called that sure contradicts THE WORDS of JESUS .
Scary huh .
Therefore i say to you that WHO so ever cometh to me and DOETH my sayings
built their house on A SOLID FOUNDATION
But who so ever cometh but doeth not
GOT ZERO FOUNDATION and that house will surely be destroyed .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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To the trenches Selah . POINT to CHRIST till the last breath my friend . FOR HE ALONE saves
and all else is but the winds of vainity and surely will reap the great whirlwind of destruction upon that house .
ITS CHRIST JESUS for the sheep my friend and we shall sup upon His lovely words
which are meat to our soul .
Forward ..........................MARCH , its battle time . The hour grows quite late indeed .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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How does one know if the jesus the follow IS THE JESUS or just another jesus .
its real simple mailman dan . so simple a child , like this wee thing by grace can see .
WHOSE WORDS DO WE TRUST and BELIEVE . THE JESUS , or mens who omit and even twisted some of His sayings .
THAT is how ya know . Real simple indeed .
So allow me some parting words to test and see if you walk as did abraham .
Go ye into all the world preaching the gospel .
Teaching them , not some , not most , but ALL THINGS i have taught YOU
they who believe and are baptized shall be SAVED
but he who believes not shall be damned .
NOW do beleive as did eve when the serpent and has many many many co wokers within christendom say
NAY , nay they shall surely not be DAMNED for GOD IS LOVE
OR DO WE BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST . intefaith IS OF ANTI CHRIST , this false love sin accepting broad path GOTTA GO .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Examination time for us all . For i fear that many , as eve was , have been beguiled by the serpentYou said I tell you that you worry about your salvation every day.
and his billions who are co workers of the kingdom of the beast .
Hear ye the parable of the little church that didnt and thus became of anti christ .
There once was a lil church who fed upon the Word and words of GOD
whose leaders had even been with GOD and had seen Him , walked with him and even touched him .
But in time , as even some of them warned
MEN shall creep in amongst EVEN your own selves .
The lil church didnt keep to HIS sayings and rather began to heed men .
Though always there was and were sheep , the true church throughout all times .
Many centuries would pass and Many teachings of men
would captivate many .
And LONG suffer GOD IS and has been not desiring the death of the wicked but rather he repent .
But a generation arose which in order to plant evil and have evil take over
came in with the victim card , and into the church with the judge not correct not card .
AND leaven came filling in the places .
GOD being longsuffering sent unto them few who did warn and remind
but the many said AWAY with you haters , ye know not GOD , ye know not love , JUST as they would have even
told THE APOSTELS AND JESUS HIMSELF had he entered into their church .
A delusion was sent
but it was sent unto those who rejected the love of the truth
and they buy a lie , and its a very inclusive and very broad lie indeed .
And now many even gather to find common ground with false religoins
Interreligois dialogue , WHICH HAS SPOUTED THE LIE OF ANTI CHRIST to the false religoins
and is doing all to convince christnedom of the lie .
And many now beleive this LIE , this so called love , this so called unity and finding common ground
is gonna lead them to GODS BIG PLAN OF WORLD PEACE N SAFETY
but they know not THIS Bring of peace on earth , this promiser
IS NOT GOD , ITS NOT CHRIST , but OF ANTI CHRIST WHO BY PEACE shall destroy
and by peace is convincing even christendom all religoins serve GOD and lets unite for peace .
SOMEONE IS BEING LIED TOO . we are in serious trouble dan .
mailmandan
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Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief and not on a lack of baptism. *NOWHERE does the Bible say, "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then we would expect Jesus to mention it in the following verses. (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) Yet what is the one requirement that Jesus mentions nine different times in each of these complete statements *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
If he who believes shall be saved then he who believes and is baptized, shall be saved as well. However, who did Jesus say would be condemned?
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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let us take heed unto the parable of the little church that didnt and thus became of anti christ .
for i fear that many , as was eve was , have been beguiled into another lovespell
and has long fled the simplicity in CHRIST for another , for he who cometh in his own name
and captivates all who rejected the love of the truth whereby they could have been saved
into a lie , a very broad lie that it calleth love and by that love has accepted sins
and NOW EVEN UNBELEIF . it is of anti christ and many anti christs now do its work .
IT has come and has promised this is the solution to bring peace and safety TO the world , to the middle east
BUT IT IS A LIAR . IT has convinced many
that this plan for peace IS OF GOD
But it cometh NOT OF GOD . JESUS never came to bring peace on earth .
BUT i sure DO KNOW the bible speaks of another THAT SURE DOES . and NO man wants to follow that one .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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would you stop heeding men .
Stop protecting an acronym .
damned means damned . Lest we want to call JESUS a liar .
And damned aint good either . WORSE punishment that even ever was on SODOM .
ITS REAL mailman dan . BUT SO IS ETERNAL LIFE , but its only FOUND IN JESUS THE CHRIST who is LIFE
who is the RESSURECTION .
OH there will be a ressurection of the just and the unjust .
THOSE IN JESUS have been justified amen , but the unjust gonna wail , all who denied HIM will wail .
I already KNOW its FAITH IN JESUS that saved . water baptism is the act OF THE TRUE BELIEVER
whom CHRIST HAS SAVED . but dont be as the many
who are beginning to believe in THE LIE .
SO allow me to remind us of WHO is a liar .
HE who denies that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS THE SON OF GOD , HE is anti christ .
KINDA ODD i see a whole mess within christendom now being made a partaker of HIS LIE
as they now believe other religoins gonna be okay , just lovey do , just lovey do they all chant .
THAT IS A FAT LIE my friend . NO LOVE OF GOD WOULD EVER had TESTIED OF this false love
that DENIES the absolute NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , only anti christ wordly love
would have ever dared to imply such a thing .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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oh . i reread the first part . so allow me to say this .
If one has no faith in JESUS they can get water dunked all day long
DAMANATION AWAITS THEM .
If a man came to Christ on his death bed , AS DID the man on the cross
WELL we can see THAT MAN WAS SAVED and sure was not water baptized .
SO i do agree with you on that . HOWEVER my friend
to any and all who are able to , LET THEM be water baptized . this was a commandment of the early church .
IF one is unable too due to they are surrounded by churches of belial
and no man wants to be baptized by a viper.
But my point is about this LIE that many seem so willing to beleive .
THE LIE . and guess what mailman dan , NOT YOU , NOT ME , OR ANY who lips the NAME of JESUS
can dare try and preach TWO gospels . ITS ALL IN VAIN if we did , we were but partakers of anti christ .
MEN are using the name of JESUS to decieve many into this lie . THEY WILL REAP even greater damnation
for they spread a lie IN HIS NAME that denied the dire need for men to repent to beleive ON HIM to be saved .
WE CANT walk the middle and try and pander . WE MUST follow CHRIST
who I KNOW Rebuked sharply those who did not beleive in HIM and even warned
the jews who denied HIM , IT will be worse for you than ever it was for SODOM on the day of judgment .
For of how much SORER a PUNSIHMENTS awaits those who TROD CHRIST UNDER FOOT , as paul would also say .
We cant feed this people goats chow under the guise its love . Be encouraged my friend .
But this sheep marchs on by the grace of GOD and shall expose
any other false love gospel WHICH IS NOGOSPEL
and shall POINT ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS . its that simple .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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My advice to all , GET OFF the merry go round of any love that denies
TRUTH . denies CHRIST , denies HIS words in any way .
Lest one become dizzy and sick and fall off that ride right into the pit of perdition on the day of the LORD .
NO LOVE of GOD would ever have rejoiced in sin , in inquity , ONLY IN THE TRUTH .
AND I promise us all , that EVERY WORD OF CHRIST IS TRUTH .
LOVE REJOICES IN TRUTH , not in braod sin accepting unbeleif accepting lies
that have made void the TRUTH of CHRIST and even has done all to turn him into the accepter of sins and unbelief .
That my friend is the love of the world but it has been claoked by many in wool
and sold to this generation as though its the love of GOD and his plan is for unity and world peace .
SORRY .
But JESUS never came to bring peace on earth .
BUT somone else sure does , and may i add , WE SURE DONT wanna follow that one or his men . RIGHT to perditon
they will go . the beloved peace n safety they so chanted will bring upon them
ONLY THEIR OWN SUDDEN destruction . THIS is very real my friend and outta great true agape love
I must warn all . TWO THINGS .
JESUS is no minstir of any sin . SO he dont hold rainbows , hundred dolla love that money bills
AND he dont contradict HIS OWN words . let us be aware and be on gaurd .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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To the trenches one and all . The hour is late . ONLY JESUS saves
and to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .
IT is not the desire of GOD that men perish
but rather they repent , repent to beleive on JESUS THE CHRIST , FOR HE ALONE is the only
way to the FATHER . now to the trenches and always remember
JESUS dont accept or honor SIN . And while GOD DOES LOVE the world,,,,
SIN he does not for it is rebellion . JESUS came to shew us the way , to give life and life eternal
unto all who do BELIEVE in HIM . TO the trenches , HE came to set us free FROM SIN
not to honor OUR SIN . that would be another jesus created by none other than the adversary
of our souls who desires naught but our perdtion . LET GOD be true but every man a liar
so that ye may be justified in your sayings and overcome when you are judged .
JESUS Is teh ONLY HOPE one has . Time for the church to return to the simplicity in CHRIST
and not be led astray by the many in wool .
and to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .
IT is not the desire of GOD that men perish
but rather they repent , repent to beleive on JESUS THE CHRIST , FOR HE ALONE is the only
way to the FATHER . now to the trenches and always remember
JESUS dont accept or honor SIN . And while GOD DOES LOVE the world,,,,
SIN he does not for it is rebellion . JESUS came to shew us the way , to give life and life eternal
unto all who do BELIEVE in HIM . TO the trenches , HE came to set us free FROM SIN
not to honor OUR SIN . that would be another jesus created by none other than the adversary
of our souls who desires naught but our perdtion . LET GOD be true but every man a liar
so that ye may be justified in your sayings and overcome when you are judged .
JESUS Is teh ONLY HOPE one has . Time for the church to return to the simplicity in CHRIST
and not be led astray by the many in wool .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Round and round many go on the wheels of the doctrines of men and of false love ,
YET Unto CHRIST is who they should GO
and into the BIBLE let them flow to learn and to grow . enjoy the rhyme . ITS A TRUE ONE .
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