What is Evolution ?

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Christians and non-Christians alike often question whether the theory of evolution is accurate. Those who express doubts about the theory are often labeled “unscientific” or “backwards” by some in the pro-evolution camp. At times, the popular perception of evolution seems to be that it has been proven beyond all doubt and there are no scientific obstacles left for it. In reality, there are quite a few scientific flaws in the theory that provide reasons to be skeptical. Granted, none of these questions necessarily disproves evolution, but they do show how the theory is less than settled.

There are many ways in which evolution can be criticized scientifically, but most of those criticisms are highly specific. There are countless examples of genetic characteristics, ecological systems, evolutionary trees, enzyme properties, and other facts that are very difficult to square with the theory of evolution. Detailed descriptions of these can be highly technical and are beyond the scope of a summary such as this. Generally speaking, it’s accurate to say that science has yet to provide consistent answers to how evolution operates at the molecular, genetic, or even ecological levels in a consistent and supportable way.

Other flaws in the theory of evolution can be separated into three basic areas. First, there is the contradiction between “punctuated equilibrium” and “gradualism.” Second is the problem in projecting “microevolution” into “macroevolution.” Third is the unfortunate way in which the theory has been unscientifically abused for philosophical reasons.

First, there is a contradiction between “punctuated equilibrium” and “gradualism.” There are two basic possibilities for how naturalistic evolution can occur. This flaw in the theory of evolution occurs because these two ideas are mutually exclusive, and yet there is evidence suggestive of both of them. Gradualism implies that organisms experience a relatively steady rate of mutations, resulting in a somewhat “smooth” transition from early forms to later ones. This was the original assumption derived from the theory of evolution. Punctuated equilibrium, on the other hand, implies that mutation rates are heavily influenced by a unique set of coincidences. Therefore, organisms will experience long periods of stability, “punctuated” by short bursts of rapid evolution.

Gradualism seems to be contradicted by the fossil record. Organisms appear suddenly and demonstrate little change over long periods. The fossil record has been greatly expanded over the last century, and the more fossils that are found, the more gradualism seems to be disproved. It was this overt refutation of gradualism in the fossil record that prompted the theory of punctuated equilibrium.

The fossil record might seem to support punctuated equilibrium, but again, there are major problems. The basic assumption of punctuated equilibrium is that a very few creatures, all from the same large population, will experience several beneficial mutations, all at the same time. Right away, one can see how improbable this is. Then, those few members separate completely from the main population so that their new genes can be passed to the next generation (another unlikely event). Given the wide diversity of life, this kind of amazing coincidence would have to happen all the time.

While the improbable nature of punctuated equilibrium speaks for itself, scientific studies have also cast doubt on the benefits it would confer. Separating a few members from a larger population results in inbreeding. This results in decreased reproductive ability, harmful genetic abnormalities, and so forth. In essence, the events that should be promoting “survival of the fittest” cripple the organisms instead.

Despite what some claim, punctuated equilibrium is not a more refined version of gradualism. They have very different assumptions about the mechanisms behind evolution and the way those mechanisms behave. Neither is a satisfactory explanation for how life came to be as diverse and balanced as it is, and yet there are no other reasonable options for how evolution can operate.

The second flaw is the problem of extending “microevolution” into “macroevolution.” Laboratory studies have shown that organisms are capable of adaptation. That is, living things have an ability to shift their biology to better fit their environment. However, those same studies have demonstrated that such changes can only go so far, and those organisms have not fundamentally changed. These small changes are called “microevolution.” Microevolution can result in some drastic changes, such as those found in dogs. All dogs are the same species, and one can see how much variation there is. But even the most aggressive breeding has never turned a dog into something else. There is a limit to how large, small, smart, or hairy a dog can become through breeding. Experimentally, there is no reason to suggest that a species can change beyond its own genetic limits and become something else.

Long-term evolution, though, requires “macroevolution,” which refers to those large-scale changes. Microevolution turns a wolf into a Chihuahua or a Great Dane. Macroevolution would turn a fish into a cow or a duck. There is a massive difference in scale and effect between microevolution and macroevolution. This flaw in the theory of evolution is that experimentation does not support the ability of many small changes to transform one species into another.

Finally, there is the flawed application of evolution. This is not a flaw in the scientific theory, of course, but an error in the way the theory has been abused for non-scientific purposes. There are still many, many questions about biological life that evolution has not answered. And yet, there are those who try to transform the theory from a biological explanation into a metaphysical one. Every time a person claims that the theory of evolution disproves religion, spirituality, or God, they are taking the theory outside of its own limits. Fairly or not, the theory of evolution has been hijacked as an anti-religious mascot by those with an axe to grind against God.

Overall, there are many solidly scientific reasons to question the theory of evolution. These flaws may be resolved by science, or they may eventually kill the theory all together. We don’t know which one will happen, but we do know this: the theory of evolution is far from settled, and rational people can question it scientifically.got?

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Addressing the OP,
101G believes in Godly EVOLUTION, not Dawin Theory of or about natural evolution. here's why.
Godly evolution: Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

HOLD IT, LET THE EARTH ........ BRING FORTH, ye, at God's command. because God put the seed of variety in the EARTH. and with dispreading by either wind or incest, and or animals, we have all the variety of plant life we see today in Living color. and the same with animals cross breading. or in the waters, Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

BY ... "LETTING" the Earth, or the Waters to bring FORTH, this is the EVOLUTION that 101G believes in.

also, by God making Man .... "BEFORE" the Plants and the Animals, all EVOLUTION is under GOD'S HOLY COMMAND, supportive scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

he the Lord Jesus is the "LET" that BRING FORTH. as the scripture's states, "and without him was not any thing made that was made." Bless the Lord God, the ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD, JESUS/YESHUA. AMEN.

101G.
 
Addressing the OP,
101G believes in Godly EVOLUTION, not Dawin Theory of or about natural evolution. here's why.
Godly evolution: Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."

HOLD IT, LET THE EARTH ........ BRING FORTH, ye, at God's command. because God put the seed of variety in the EARTH. and with dispreading by either wind or incest, and or animals, we have all the variety of plant life we see today in Living color. and the same with animals cross breading. or in the waters, Genesis 1:20 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

BY ... "LETTING" the Earth, or the Waters to bring FORTH, this is the EVOLUTION that 101G believes in.

also, by God making Man .... "BEFORE" the Plants and the Animals, all EVOLUTION is under GOD'S HOLY COMMAND, supportive scripture, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

he the Lord Jesus is the "LET" that BRING FORTH. as the scripture's states, "and without him was not any thing made that was made." Bless the Lord God, the ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD, JESUS/YESHUA. AMEN.

101G.
The key from the bible is everything comes from its own kind, not through one kind evolving into another/different kind like evolution teaches.
 
The key from the bible is everything comes from its own kind, not through one kind evolving into another/different kind like evolution teaches.
how did the mule get here? .... remember, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

PICJAG, 101G.
 
Man was the last thing created…


Doug
not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this, Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

man was "Alone" until God made animals.

101G.
 
I totally miss this thread but I was thinking about evolution and Christianity this morning and decided to study up on it.

For many unbelievers, evolution is an obstacle to faith. They assume that evolution disproves creation, thus demonstrating that the Bible is in error. But evolution doesn’t have to be an obstacle to Christianity. One can believe in evolution and still receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Romans 10:9 says, “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” It doesn’t say, “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, and also believe in seven-day creation, you will be saved.”

Obviously, if one rejects creation in favor of naturalistic evolution, one is an atheist. Nevertheless, we don’t have to convince an unbeliever that it’s seven-day creation or nothing, that if “you don’t renounce evolution entirely you can’t be a Christian!”

Instead, we point out that theistic evolution (the belief that evolution is true but that God initiated it) is acceptable to many Christians and need not interfere with someone receiving Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. In fact, we continue, there are many scholarly, evangelical Christians who love the Lord and who believe in the authority of Scriptures but who hold to theistic evolution. This alone proves that evolution does not have to be an obstacle to Christianity. Otherwise, these people would not be Christians.

Now, we may not personally agree with this position (and, as Montgomery suggests, we should say so), but it does represent a rational argument that can be sustained on biblical grounds— assuming one views the creation account as a poetic narrative rather than a historical description. In this way we can avoid an unnecessary discussion on creation versus evolution and move on to “Who is Jesus Christ?”—the goal of all apologetics.

Now, it may be that the unbeliever will want to push this issue anyway. If he insists that any kind of evolution disproves the existence of God, we must respond. This means providing apologetic evidence for creation.


Dan Story, Engaging the Closed Minded: Presenting Your Faith to the Confirmed Unbeliever
 
Digging Deeper
Naturalistic Evolutionary Theories

Charles Darwin is associated with evolution, but since Darwin’s time, the theory has undergone many changes and refinements. Though some in the secular scientific community doubt its validity, evolution is clearly the reigning paradigmatic explanation of origins. While Darwinian evolution was specifically concerned with the origin and development of all living things, including human beings, “evolution” is an umbrella term that covers not only theories about biotic evolution but also beliefs about the universe’s origin and age. It has implications for sciences like geology, astronomy, physics, and paleontology as well as biology.
Naturalistic evolutionists claim that the origin and development of the universe can be explained in entirely natural terms in virtue of purely natural laws operating over natural phenomena. As Richard Dawkins has said, “Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” This is not to say that all evolutionists are atheists, but only that according to evolution, a full explanation of our universe is possible without including God.

We must distinguish two different kinds of evolution, micro-evolution and macro-evolution. Micro-evolution is change within species. Mere observation of changes in the natural world, including human beings, from one generation to the next shows that such change takes place. There is no reason for Christian creationists to reject micro-evolution. On the other hand, macro-evolution claims that the processes described also resulted in changes from one species to another, ultimately culminating in human beings. It is macro-evolution that is most distasteful to creationists who believe that the variety and complexity of life-forms is attributable to an intelligent designer, God, not to the blind, random processes of nature.

As to the origin and development of life, evolution says that from non-living matter there ultimately resulted a living cell capable of reproducing itself. Gradually over eons of time, ever-more complex life-forms continued to develop. Those that were least fit died, whereas the fittest reproduced. Through this process genetic characteristics that were most beneficial to survival persisted, and traits that were not helpful gradually left the gene pool as life-forms with those traits died off.

The mechanism of biological evolution is natural selection, a totally random process that works through natural reproduction. Life-forms that are the fittest will be the most successful in reproducing themselves, so the genetic makeup of the fittest will dominate the gene population. But natural selection means also that over time genetic tendencies that represent advantageous characteristics (i.e., qualities that help a life-form survive better than other members of its species) will accumulate so that eventually there will be large-scale characteristic changes in life-forms. The result is evolution to new species that are better adapted to their environment and thus more likely to survive and reproduce.

How can new genetic options arise which eventually lead to new species? Evolutionists answer that genetic mutations are the source of this material. So natural selection, given enough time, by chance and mutations resulted in the multiplicity of life-forms in our world today.

Biological evolution postulates enormous amounts of time for developing the various life-forms that have existed and now exist in our world, and this has implications for one’s cosmology. According to various calculations in astronomy, physics, etc., scientists committed to evolution typically postulate that the universe is some 10 to 15 billion years old. This doesn’t mean that matter had an ultimate beginning, for evolutionists answer questions about ultimate origins by claiming that matter in general and the universe in particular are just brute, unexplainable facts. Still, matter is eternal, and somehow the universe began around 10 to 15 billion years ago. As to planet earth, estimates vary, but current scientific thinking postulates its origin somewhere around 4.5 billion years ago. As for humans, their ancestors probably first appeared around 1.5 billion years ago.

How does science get these dates, and how does it think our current universe began? As to the dates, they are set in a variety of ways. During this century discoveries in astronomy indicated that ours is an expanding universe. Calculating backward using the speed of expansion, scientists arrive at such dates. Moreover, scientists believe that various radiometric dating procedures tell us the age of various layers of the earth, along with the age of fossils found in those layers, and thus confirm an old universe.

Scientists also believe that other data gleaned from rocks, etc., taken from the moon further confirm the age of our solar system.

Scientific evidence (discovered in the twentieth century) for an expanding universe has brought changes in scientific explanations of how our universe began. During part of that century, it was thought that our universe is an eternal but oscillating universe. That is, it expanded to a point and then contracted, only to expand again in a new cycle. However, scientific evidence that suggests continuous expansion and gradual movement toward disorder of the universe has led scientists to propose a different theory. If the universe is expanding at a fairly constant rate, we should be able to extrapolate backwards to a time when it was “totally” compacted. If there was such a point in the universe’s history, how did it then begin to expand? Scientists answer that the expansion began with a gigantic explosion known as the Big Bang from this singularity when the basic matter of the universe was compacted together.

Though some who invoke God hold that he created the material of the universe at the outset and then somehow caused the Big Bang, evolutionists typically demur. For example, Stephen Hawking (A Brief History of Time) argues that questions about how long things existed before the Big Bang, and about who produced the material from which this explosion came, are simply non-issues. Hawking thinks the problem stems from Einstein’s general theory of relativity. When dealing with the universe’s expansion after the Big Bang, the general theory of relativity works well, but its problem is that it doesn’t incorporate the small-scale effects described by quantum mechanics. “At the scale of ordinary bodies, planets and galaxies, quantum effects are negligible for the most part; but at the scale of the very early universe, if a Big-Bang model of cosmic evolution is essentially correct, they should become hugely significant.”

The net result is that Hawking believes that the general theory of relativity breaks down in the universe’s earliest seconds and stages. However, he thinks that by combining the general theory of relativity with quantum mechanics to form a quantum theory of gravity, it is possible to eliminate the singularity predicted by general relativity alone. And, if there is no singularity, then there is no boundary to space-time and the universe. Hence, we need not invoke God as the start of the cosmos, nor can we talk of what happened or how long it was before the Big Bang.

None of this necessarily means Hawking thinks there is no God. Rather, his point is that even if there is a God, we need not invoke him in explanations of the universe’s origin. Of course, while Hawking has proposed this theory, that doesn’t mean it has been shown to be correct. Still, if one accepts his proposal, there is no need to appeal to God for an ultimate explanation of things. Naturalistic evolutionary cosmological accounts offer all the explanation needed.


John S. Feinberg, No One Like Him: The Doctrine of God, The Foundations of Evangelical Theology
 
naturalistic evolution
naturalistic evolution, is this not of God? supportive scripture, Genesis 1:11 " And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so." Genesis 1:12 " And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good." WHO BROUGHT FORTH? the EARTH.

Genesis 1:20 " And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." Genesis 1:21 " And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
WHO BROUGHT FORTH? the WATERS.

Genesis 1:24 " And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so." Genesis 1:25 " And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."
WHO BROUGHT FORTH? the EARTH again.

all this is at God command, for John 1:3 " All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." God is the AUTHOR of "EVOLUTION".

101G
 
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