Were the Men of Sodom Homosexual?

[MTMattie]

Incorrect.

I reject your confusion concerning God's word.

Our friend John... again. 12:40... with a word to the wise.

“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WILL NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED, AND SO I WILL NOT HEAL THEM.”

And even Isaiah 6:10

“Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed.”

No Christian should ever be confused about God's word. If they are they best get back to the basics of reading with an open mind and a good source of commentaries else John and Isaiah could have a very profound meaning.

 

[Fred]

well then find out what "deal worse " means in Genesis 19:9

You don't care because you play make believe with what the words of the Bible mean.

 

[civic]

You don't care because you play make believe with what the words of the Bible mean.

its crazy how that happens when a doctrine/belief takes priority of the biblical words and their meanings. Or when they read an idea/doctrine into a passage to support a specific systematic theology.

Uni's do it with Jesus Deity
Oneness do it with the Godhead
Calvi's do it with tulip and others with PSA including Calvi's
Universalists do it with salvation

and the list goes on. we are witnessing this here with sodomites. hello- NEWSFLASH .

 

[Hosanna]

Jesus said: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

“It is hard for you to kick against the pricks” was a Greek proverb, but it was also familiar to the Jews and anyone who made a living in agriculture. An ox goad was a stick with a pointed piece of iron on its tip used to prod the oxen when plowing. The farmer would prick the animal to steer it in the right direction. Sometimes the animal would rebel by kicking out at the prick, and this would result in the prick being driven even further into its flesh. In essence, the more an ox rebelled, the more it suffered. Thus, Jesus’ words to Saul on the road to Damascus: “It is hard for you to kick against the pricks.”got?

hope this helps !!!

But we don't have any 'prick kickers' here right"? We are headed in the right direction, Heave our real home.

 

[101G]

Jesus said: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

“It is hard for you to kick against the pricks” was a Greek proverb, but it was also familiar to the Jews and anyone who made a living in agriculture. An ox goad was a stick with a pointed piece of iron on its tip used to prod the oxen when plowing. The farmer would prick the animal to steer it in the right direction. Sometimes the animal would rebel by kicking out at the prick, and this would result in the prick being driven even further into its flesh. In essence, the more an ox rebelled, the more it suffered. Thus, Jesus’ words to Saul on the road to Damascus: “It is hard for you to kick against the pricks.”got?

hope this helps !!!

why are you trying to kick against the prick yourself then? was not the proof given to you.... reason it out. yes, the scripture gave us the answer but you refuse, or is afraid to search it out. Genesis 19:9 "And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door." this verse alone destroy the false notion that the men of Sodom was Homosexuals when they want to "KNOW" the strangers. ''that one verse just destroys what you been taught.
no big deal, 101G was taught the same thing. but 101G refuse to stay in darkness. we must refuse the evil and embrace the GOOD.
this one verse will stick with you in testimony, showing that you was taught in ERROR. 101G will not argue with you on that... for it is written and will not change. repentance is the only way out. ...

a mistake, or a error can be corrected, but a false deception ...... God will deal with ... as he said in Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:50 "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good." amen.

101G.

 

[civic]

projecting again

 

[101G]

projecting again

(smile), Observing.....

101G.

 

[civic]

But hey you are the one and only one who is right on this forum and everyone else is wrong.

who would of thunk such a thing.


a man is wise in his own eyes

there is wisdom in the council of many

pride comes before a fall

Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence.

hope this helps !!!

 

[101G]

But hey you are the one and only one who is right on this forum and everyone else is wrong.

The gate and the road is Narrow. only a few find it. Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

a man is wise in his own eyes

when God give him or her wisdom, for it is God eyes who see. for we walk by faith and not by sight.

there is wisdom in the council of many

and ... MANY ... has been in ERROR, just read the bible.

pride comes before a fall

this is where this country and many who are in it ... is at .... just like Sodom, Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:50 "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

this administration that is in office now, is not "strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." they are cutting social programs, and yes, even medicaid on the chopping block. haughty? yes, HIGH MINDED, yes, America today walking right in the footsteps of Sodom. these same thing was the reason why Sodom and Gomorrah burnt up. this is like reading a newspaper from yesterday

so, no 101G is not kicking against the prick, nor is 101G saying that he is only correct. 101G is just as the prophets before ... "crying in the wilderness"..... 101G job is just to report. not forcing anyone to believe or not. just as the apostle say... PUT THEM IN REMEMBRANCE.

Whoever ignores instruction despises himself, but he who listens to reproof gains intelligence.

this is 101G theme..... "Where there is knowledge, stay not Ignorant"

101G. ...

P.S. as said, Genesis 19:9 "And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door." Genesis 19:10 "But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door."

these verses will be a testament against the ERROR you and many have made.

 

[civic]

you are the only one who is right and the rest of us in the body of Christ are wrong.

things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

next............................

 

[Fred]

why are you trying to kick against the prick yourself then? was not the proof given to you.... reason it out. yes, the scripture gave us the answer but you refuse, or is afraid to search it out. Genesis 19:9 "And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them

101G.

They would have murdered him.

This does nothing to refute that these men were homosexuals.

 

[Dizerner]

I don't think this is a salvific issue...

It's a semantically possible it could just mean "know about" but the context clues make it extremely unlikely.

 

[101G]

They would have murdered him.

This does nothing to refute that these men were homosexuals.

THANK YOU. they would have murdered him...... and beat and maybe killed the two (men, angels)at least you're halfway there. this 101G commend you. but now the second half, do the bible say Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for homosexuality? let's see,

Ezekiel 16:48 "As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters." (STOP, if the men of Sodom were homosexual, them the men in Isreal were worst, READ IT AGAIN) Ezekiel 16:49 "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy." Ezekiel 16:50 "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

Jeremiah 23:14 "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah."
if all the men of Sodom were homosexuals ....... why were they charged with " adultery?". so all the men was not homosexuals.

Ezekiel 13:22 "Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:"

Ezekiel 16:56 "For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,"

Luke 10:12 "But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."

Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 1:8 "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."


Pride, fornication and adultery? where is all the so called homosexuality?

101G.

 

[Fred]

but now the second half, do the bible say Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for homosexuality? let's see,

You refuse to see.

 

[101G]

You refuse to see.

do you have anything constructive to the topic? now, as for seeing, we Walk by faith and not by sight. meaning we walk by the scriptures and not what some man say....

Luke 10:12 "But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."


101G.

 

[Fred]

do you have anything constructive to the topic? n

I already supplied it.
But you refuse to see it.

 

[101G]

I already supplied it.
But you refuse to see it.

GINOLJC TO ALL, also @civic, @MTMattie, @Dizerner

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Fred let put an end to your nonsense. the wickedness of the men of Sodom was not homosexuality. now last time, HEAR what the bible say. LISTEN and LEARN,

Genesis 19:4 "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:"

Genesis 19:5 "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." (here is your and many more mistakes. may KNOW them? is not a sexual reference. listen carefully to the following verses.

Genesis 19:6 "And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,"
Genesis 19:7 "And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly."
this word gives away the sin that the men of Sodom wanted to do to the two men and Lot, LISTEN to the definition,
wickedly: H7489 רָעַע ra`a` (raw-ah') v.
1. (properly) to spoil.
2. (literally) to ruin by breaking to pieces.
3. (causative) to make good for nothing.
4. (figuratively) to be good for nothing.
5. (physically, socially or morally) to be bad.
[a primitive root]
KJV: afflict, associate selves (by mistake for H7462), break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly (by mistake for H7462), do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.

here the Wickedness is to KILL, or murder the two men, (angels). THIS IS CLEAR AS DAY. now follow,

Genesis 19:8 "Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof."

Genesis 19:9 "And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door."

deal worse with thee, than with them. again, God give us the answer the second time as to the intent of these wicked men of Sodom, they wanted to kill ... now, both Lot and the two men, (angels), because Lot refused to give the two men, (angels), over to the mob. the term deal worse
is the same word for wickedly above in verse 7.

deal worse: H7489 רָעַע ra`a` (raw-ah') v.
1. (properly) to spoil.
2. (literally) to ruin by breaking to pieces.
3. (causative) to make good for nothing.
4. (figuratively) to be good for nothing.
5. (physically, socially or morally) to be bad.
[a primitive root]
KJV: afflict, associate selves (by mistake for H7462), break (down, in pieces), + displease, (be, bring, do) evil (doer, entreat, man), show self friendly (by mistake for H7462), do harm, (do) hurt, (behave self, deal) ill, X indeed, do mischief, punish, still, vex, (do) wicked (doer, -ly), be (deal, do) worse.


GOD HAVE GIVEN US THE ANSWER TWICE. wickedly in verse 7 and deal worse in verse 9. MY GOD, THE CRIME IS GIVEN TO US TWO TIMES.

if one cannot see it now then they are BLIND as BATS.

101G.

 

[Fred]

GINOLJC TO ALL,
Fred let put an end to your nonsense. the wickedness of the men of Sodom was not homosexuality.

The word has already been properly defined.

 

[101G]

The word has already been properly defined.

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Boy O Boy, READ man, and THINK.

101G.

 

[Fred]

LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Boy O Boy, READ man, and THINK.

101G.

Say that to yourself.