Unitarian poll: is the RCC view of Mary an idol?

[Diserner]

I assume most would be familiar with the RCC views on Mary:

It is truly right to bless you, O Theotokos,

ever blessed, and most pure, and the Mother of our God.

More honorable than the Cherubim, and beyond compare more glorious than the seraphim.

Without corruption you gave birth to God the Word.

True Theotokos, we magnify you.

Beyond Compare More Glorious than the Seraphim

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Now honest question, do you view this as an idolatrous view of Mary?

Yes or no, and why.

 

[Matthias]

Why is this a unitarian poll? Why isn’t it a unitarian, binitarian and trinitarian poll?

I view it as a blasphemous view of the one God.

I view it as a perfectly reasonable view of the Trinity.

I view it as a position on Mary which Protestants reject and Catholics accept.

I don’t view it as a correct position on the historical Mary.

 

[Diserner]

Why is this a unitarian poll? Why isn’t it a unitarian, binitarian and trinitarian poll?

Because of similarity that can be brought out for those who deny Christ's deity.

I view it as a blasphemous view of the one God.

Can you explain in detail why you think this is logical?

 

[Matthias]

Because of similarity that can be brought out for those who deny Christ's deity.



Can you explain in detail why you think this is logical?

The one God doesn’t have a mother.

 

[Matthias]

@dizerner are you under impression that the Catholics worship Mary as God?

 

[Diserner]

The one God doesn’t have a mother.

Okay.

So might I assume, since you offered no objection, that aside from that there are no other complaints.

@dizerner are you under impression that the Catholics worship Mary as God?

There is something called "internal logical inconsistencies resulting in doublespeak."

What that means is, a proponent of a position can deny the logical conclusions of their stated beliefs.

For example, "I believe A, I believe B, but I deny that A x B = AB."

This is a tricky position to handle, because once a person is allowed to violate certain laws of logic, in one certain circumstance they can claim to believe A and in other set they can claim to believe NOT A, and it becomes like trying to nail jello to the wall, since they require no logical consistency from themselves, and they can constantly cry you are "misrepresenting" them since you reject a violation of logic.

Typically of course they will deny that the premises lead to the conclusion, but not adequately illustrate why.

Thus I am not "under impression" that Catholics claim to worship Mary as God.

If that's what you perhaps meant.

 

[Matthias]

Okay.

So might I assume, since you offered no objection, that aside from that there are no other complaints.

You shouldn’t assume that, especially in light of the fact that I’m a Jewish monotheist.

There is no God besides the Father. Everthing else is idols.

This isn’t a personal attack on Catholics. This is the doctrine / teaching of Jewish monotheism.

Trinitarianism is blasphemy to a Jewish monotheist.

That makes trinitarians ... well, let’s just say that it makes trinitarians bristle.

There is something called "internal logical inconsistencies resulting in doublespeak."

What that means is, a proponent of a position can deny the logical conclusions of their stated beliefs.

For example, "I believe A, I believe B, but I deny that A x B = AB."

This is a tricky position to handle, because once a person is allowed to violate certain laws of logic, in one certain circumstance they can claim to believe A and in other set they can claim to believe NOT A, and it becomes like trying to nail jello to the wall, since they require no logical consistency from themselves, and they can constantly cry you are "misrepresenting" them since you reject a violation of logic.

Typically of course they will deny that the premises lead to the conclusion, but not adequately illustrate why.

Thus I am not "under impression" that Catholics claim to worship Mary as God.

If that's what you perhaps meant.

 

[Matthias]

“This is the Catholic faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly; otherwise, one cannot be saved.”

Athanasian Creed | beginningCatholic.com

The ancient Athanasian Creed as used in the Roman Catholic Church.

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The bottom line in the Athanasian Creed.

Is it a personal attack if a Catholic tells me that, because I don’t believe in the Trinity, I’m not saved?

No. Why isn’t it?

This is the doctrine / teaching of the Catholic. It’s the theology. It’s the system.

The Catholic hasn’t singled me out. I’m in a group (non-trinitarian / anti-trinitarian), and everyone in that group is - according to the Athanasian Creed - not saved.

 

[Matthias]

Because of similarity that can be brought out for those who deny Christ's deity.

Catholics don’t deny ”Christ’s deity” and neither you nor I believe that the Catholics worship Mary as God.