Bob Carabbio
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There's ONLY I BIBLICAL FAITH (Heb 11:1), and it comes by GOD'S WORD to you. Rom 10:17.
Probably MOST OF WHAT THE CHURCH CALLS "FAITH", is nothing more than "Religious belief", which accomplishes NOTHING.
Two Kinds of Faith
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Probably MOST OF WHAT THE CHURCH CALLS "FAITH", is nothing more than "Religious belief", which accomplishes NOTHING.
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@Johann said: Two Kinds of Faith
Precious friend, kinda like this?:
I stand at the airport, and looking out the window, I see an airplane, and [ in my head ] believe
that, yes, that "will get me to my destination," but Until I "actually get on board, and trust [ with
All 'my heart!' ] my life into the hands of the pilot," I will never "get to my destination," eh?
Amen.
TOTAL "heart" belief,
trust, faith In:
... ↓ ...... ↓ ...... ↓ ............. ↓
Precious friend, kinda like this?:
I stand at the airport, and looking out the window, I see an airplane, and [ in my head ] believe
that, yes, that "will get me to my destination," but Until I "actually get on board, and trust [ with
All 'my heart!' ] my life into the hands of the pilot," I will never "get to my destination," eh?
Amen.
TOTAL "heart" belief,
trust, faith In:
... ↓ ...... ↓ ...... ↓ ............. ↓
DavidTree
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There are many many biblical faiths.
There is only One SAVING Faith - Hebrews ch 11 is a great exhortation of 'faith' expressed in actual persons lives.
SAVING faith must have a Target/Goal/Direction/Purpose/Accomplishment that pleases God= Hebrews ch11 as examples for us
Hebrews ch11 is looking back, TODAY God wants us to LOOK FORWARD = Hebrews chapter 12
Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.”
Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
"This is My Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, LISTEN to Him."
SEE the TARGET = make it our AIM to please God = JESUS
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Johann
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Two kinds of faith/believe-
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:19 You believe that N1God is one; you do well [to believe that]. The demons also believe [that], and shudder and bristle [in awe-filled terror--they have seen His wrath]! [Deu_6:4; Deu_11:13-21; Mar_12:29]
Jas 2:19 So you're impressed with yourselves that with your emunah you can recite the kri'at Shema, nu? O you do so well...why, even the shedim have your da'as and emunah! But they shudder! [DEVARIM 6:4]
Jas 2:19 σὺ sy|G4771|PPro-N2S|You πιστεύεις pisteueis|G4100|V-PIA-2S|believe ὅτι hoti|G3754|Conj|that εἷς heis|G1520|Adj-NMS|one ἐστιν estin|G1510|V-PIA-3S|is ὁ ho|G3588|Art-NMS|- Θεός; Theos|G2316|N-NMS|God. καλῶς kalōs|G2573|Adv|Well ποιεῖς· poieis|G4160|V-PIA-2S|you are doing! καὶ kai|G2532|Conj|Even τὰ ta|G3588|Art-NNP|the δαιμόνια daimonia|G1140|N-NNP|demons πιστεύουσιν pisteuousin|G4100|V-PIA-3P|believe [that], καὶ kai|G2532|Conj|and φρίσσουσιν. phrissousin|G5425|V-PIA-3P|shudder!
the devils. or, demons. Deu_32:17, Psa_96:5, Mat_7:22; *Mat_8:28; *Mat_8:29; Mat_10:8, +*Mar_1:24; *Mar_5:7, *Luk_4:33; *Luk_4:34; *Luk_4:41; Luk_8:2; Luk_8:28, Joh_8:48, *Act_16:16; *Act_16:17; *Act_19:15; Act_24:25, 1Co_10:20-21, +*1Ti_4:1, Jud_1:6, Rev_16:14; Rev_20:2-3; Rev_20:10.
also believe. %*Eze_33:30-32, Mat_8:28-29, *Mar_3:11; Mar_5:6, **Luk_4:41; +*Luk_8:13, Joh_2:23, *Act_8:13; *Act_8:20; *Act_8:21; +*Act_15:5; **Act_21:20; *Act_26:27, +*1Co_15:2, +*2Co_11:26.
tremble. or, shudder. Gr. phrissō (S# G5425, only here), to "bristle" or chill, that is, shudder (fear) [Strong]. 1Sa_18:29, *Job_4:15, Jer_2:12, Dan_7:15, **Mat_8:29, Mar_1:24, Luk_4:34; Luk_8:31, Rom_8:15, Php_2:12, Heb_10:26-27, 2Pe_2:4, 1Jn_4:18, Jud_1:6, Rev_20:10.
Don't get cocky
J.
Johann
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Bob Carabbio
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Nope - ONLY ONE, based on the WORD OF GOD to you Rom 10:17. The "subject" of Faith may change, but the SUBSTANCE of Faith DOES NOT!!
DavidTree
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You just agreed with my Post.
Are you not SEEING?
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
SAVING Faith must have a DIRECTION in order to please God.
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
"This is My Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, LISTEN to Him."
SEE the TARGET = make it our AIM to please God = JESUS
Johann
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Believe
A. Verbs.
1. pisteuo (G4100), "to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, see Joh_1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Act_5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers. See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
2. peitho (G3982), "to persuade," in the middle and passive voices signifies "to suffer oneself to be persuaded," e.g., Luk_16:31; Heb_13:18; it is sometimes translated "believe" in the RV, but not in Act_17:4, RV, "were persuaded," and Act_27:11, "gave (more) heed"; in Act_28:24, "believed. See AGREE, ASSURE, OBEY, PERSUADE, TRUST, YIELD.
Note: For apisteo, the negative of No. 1, and apeitheo, the negative of No. 2, see DISBELIEVE, DISOBEDIENT.
B. Noun.
pistis (G4102), "faith," is translated "belief" in Rom_10:17; 2Th_2:13. Its chief significance is a conviction respecting God and His Word and the believer's relationship to Him. See ASSURANCE, FAITH, FIDELITY.
Note: In 1Co_9:5 the word translated "believer" (RV), is adelphe, "a sister," so 1Co_7:15; Rom_16:1; Jas_2:15, used, in the spiritual sense, of one connected by the tie of the Christian faith.
C. Adjective.
pistos (G4103), (a) in the active sense means "believing, trusting"; (b) in the passive sense, "trusty, faithful, trustworthy." It is translated "believer" in 2Co_6:15; "them that believe" in 1Ti_4:12, RV (KJV, "believers "); in 1Ti_5:16, "if any woman that believeth," lit. "if any believing woman." So in 1Ti_6:2, "believing masters." In 1Pe_1:21 the RV, following the most authentic mss., gives the noun form, "are believers in God" (KJV, "do believe in God"). In Joh_20:27 it is translated "believing." It is best understood with significance (a), above, e.g., in Gal_3:9; Act_16:1; 2Co_6:15; Tit_1:6; it has significance (b), e.g., in 1Th_5:24; 2Th_3:3 (see Notes on Thessalonians p. 211, and Galatians p. 126, by Hogg and Vine). See FAITHFUL, SURE.
Notes: (1) The corresponding negative verb is apisteo, 2Ti_2:13, KJV, "believe not" RV, "are faithless," in contrast to the statement "He abideth faithful."
(2) The negative noun apistia, "unbelief," is used twice in Matthew (Mat_13:58); Mat_17:20), three times in Mark (Mar_6:6; Mar_9:24; Mar_16:14), four times in Romans (Rom_3:3; Rom_4:20; Rom_11:20, Rom_11:23); elsewhere in 1Ti_1:13 and Heb_3:12, Heb_3:19.
(3) The adjective apistos is translated "unbelievers" in 1Co_6:6, and 2Co_6:14; in 2Co_6:15, RV, "unbeliever" (KJV, "infidel"); so in 1Ti_5:8; "unbelieving" in 1Co_7:12-15; 1Co_14:22-24; 2Co_4:4; Tit_1:15; Rev_21:8; "that believe not" in 1Co_10:27. In the Gospels it is translated "faithless" in Mat_17:17; Mar_9:19; Luk_9:41; Joh_20:27, but in Luk_12:46, RV, "unfaithful," KJV, "unbelievers." Once it is translated "incredible," Act_26:8. See FAITHLESS, INCREDIBLE, UNBELIEVER.
(4) Plerophoreo, in Luk_1:1 (KJV, "are most surely believed," lit., "have had full course"), the RV renders "have been fulfilled." see FULFILL, KNOW, PERSUADE, PROOF.
Don't be so dogmatic.
Shalom
J.
Bob Carabbio
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The BIBLE is dogmatic, so I am also. There's only ONE "FAITH" Heb 11:1 / Romans 10-17
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Johann
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And yet you refuse to read the MEANING of this important word? No wonder so many are so narrow minded-not willing to learn and study
2Ti_2:15 Study and do your best to present yourself to God approved, a workman [tested by trial] who has no reason to be ashamed, accurately handling and skillfully teaching the word of truth.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
Bob Carabbio
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So what do you think THAT has to do with anything??? Biblical FAITH is simple - it's has SUBSTANCE, and is EVIDENCE of what you don't see - yet.
Biblical FAITH has many different "subjects", but it's SUBSTANCE is always the SAME - God's WORD to you.
DavidTree
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YES Bob and that One faith is what saves us = BULLYSEYE
I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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