True Christians, COVID and the Vax

[EclipseEventSigns]

Well it's good to see you acknowledge that. Others many times do not in how they present things and that includes those who were opposed to vaccines. Everything is absolute fact for some people in what they hear from yes even alternative media. No one could tell me otherwise for I've been a leader in home groups and have seen people claiming things as truth absolute when it comes to the vaccine issue.

And I'll say again a better position to hold about the last few years might be let everyone be convinced in their own mind. Like Paul stated in Rom 14:9 Consider giving your brothers and sisters in Christ the benefit of the doubt that they weren't necessarily cowardly but felt they were doing the right thing in the sight of God and man . You felt you were doing this but so did they. Let there be PEACE which God has called us to. 1 Cor 7:15

There is no ultimate peace in living in error. Yes, let's be at peace in the crowd of lemmings as they move over the cliff. (btw, lemmings don't do this actually).

I've heard all "peace" verses being used to guilt Christians into being quiet. Usually all taken out of context.

Let's look at a common one. I Thessalonians 5:13. " Live in peace with one another." But people using this verse don't quote anything that follows.
[1Th 5:14 LSB] 14 And we urge you, brothers, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone.
All those people pointing fingers and making a fuss about people causing dissension were so unruly, judgmental and impatient themselves.

[1Th 5:15 LSB] 15 See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek after that which is good for one another and for all people.
All those leaders who banned people from church for their views. Or discriminated against them from serving in positions in the church.

[1Th 5:21 LSB] 21 but examine all things; hold fast to that which is good;
Discouraging people from sharing the evidence they were finding about the topics. Or even not sharing from the pulpit that information that was important for people to know. Or not even being willing to research the topics themselves.

You quoted:
[1Co 7:15 LSB] 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave. The brother or the sister is not enslaved in such [cases], but God has called us to peace.
I hadn't been aware that this verse was being used in this situation. Paul is clearly talking about an entirely different situation - a specific situation of an unbelieving spouse leaving.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It's funny in a sense though, since proponents who are anti-vax are saying it's the mark of the beast. So three fingers pointing back?

They're all WRONG!!!! The Mark of the beast is your "Social Security Number" We've known that since 1935!!

And I've got a book that PROVES Biblically beyond the shadow of a doubt that the RAPTURE will come during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!!!!

I can hardly wait!!!

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

They're all WRONG!!!! The Mark of the beast is your "Social Security Number" We've known that since 1935!!

And I've got a book that PROVES Biblically beyond the shadow of a doubt that the RAPTURE will come during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!!!!

I can hardly wait!!!

Just love these kind of ignorant and unhelpful and out of topic replies. Shows me who takes this forum seriously and those that do not.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Just love these kind of ignorant and unhelpful and out of topic replies. Shows me who takes this forum seriously and those that do not.

WELL HEY!!!! We've got hot and cold running theology here!!! Folks who take ANYTHING on the internet seriously are the ones with the problem.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

WELL HEY!!!! We've got hot and cold running theology here!!! Folks who take ANYTHING on the internet seriously are the ones with the problem.

Who exactly are you referring to who is taking ANYTHING on the internet seriously? Name the person and give evidence.

 

[Rockson]

There is no ultimate peace in living in error.

I'd say the type of peace the Bible is referring to is spiritual peace of the spirit and mind.

I've heard all "peace" verses being used to guilt Christians into being quiet.

If they're using the word "peace" in regard to never willing to draw an offence with the preaching of the gospel then Jesus said he never came to bring peace but a sword....that has to do with Jesus being the only way to eternal life. If that issue causes division then it'll just have to cause division. As a citizen in a free country I see it as everyone's place if they so desire to raise their voice about natural realm issues just don't make it a litmus test as to whether one is a Christian or a faithful one at that.

[1Th 5:21 LSB] 21 but examine all things; hold fast to that which is good;
Discouraging people from sharing the evidence they were finding about the topics.

As somewhat of a leader in my church I never was opposed nor were our Pastors opposed to anyone sharing anything within the church of what they thought of covid, for vaccine or against. How they'd do it was the thing that would be watched. We drew the lines very clearly .....there would be no one from either side figuratively speaking beating people up or being condescending by drawing into question another spiritual devotion. If they wanted to believe in the covid official lines fine....if not fine too.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I'd say the type of peace the Bible is referring to is spiritual peace of the spirit and mind.

If they're using the word "peace" in regard to never willing to draw an offence with the preaching of the gospel then Jesus said he never came to bring peace but a sword....that has to do with Jesus being the only way to eternal life. If that issue causes division then it'll just have to cause division. As a citizen in a free country I see it as everyone's place if they so desire to raise their voice about natural realm issues just don't make it a litmus test as to whether one is a Christian or a faithful one at that.

As somewhat of a leader in my church I never was opposed nor were our Pastors opposed to anyone sharing anything within the church of what they thought of covid, for vaccine or against. How they'd do it was the thing that would be watched. We drew the lines very clearly .....there would be no one from either side figuratively speaking beating people up or being condescending by drawing into question another spiritual devotion. If they wanted to believe in the covid official lines fine....if not fine too.

And yet you pointed to I Cor 7:15 as a valid Scripture to use in the situation. Which it is not.
As to a litmus test. We have very clear instruction that we ARE to judge by the fruit that results. So yes, by the test of good fruit and not rotten fruit, it is clear who is living authentic Christianity and who isn't/wasn't.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Who exactly are you referring to who is taking ANYTHING on the internet seriously? Name the person and give evidence.

Apparently you take THIS forum seriously. Not a mistake I'd be guilty of.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Apparently you take THIS forum seriously. Not a mistake I'd be guilty of.

Great. Thanks for letting me know your attitude. Why are you even here then if you have nothing useful to contribute? I won't need to engage with you then in the future. Ignore on.

 

[Rockson]

And yet you pointed to I Cor 7:15 as a valid Scripture to use in the situation.

God wants believers to be at peace and love towards each other.

Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness. Jm 3:18

And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 1 Pt 4:8

As to a litmus test. We have very clear instruction that we ARE to judge by the fruit that results. So yes, by the test of good fruit and not rotten fruit, it is clear who is living authentic Christianity and who isn't/wasn't.

There's a saying all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Then they take that saying to back everything they can do to using natural means to overcome a spiritual problem. If you don't do whatever they say they condemn another as not having the fruits of a Christian.

So what are the fruits of a Christian?

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22

What's the meaning of temperance? Self control. What's the opposite of love and self control...also found in Gal 5:20

"...hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions" Gal 5:20

If one believes they are right (about anything) and yet they have a mean, unfriendly condescending spirit towards another that is not the fruit which is supposed to come from a Christian.

In the video that you yourself have put down look at James White says in the last 5 minutes,

"We didn't demand that everyone else agree with us either. When everybody else closed down we weren't sitting there saying, 'Oh boy we're the holy ones! We didn't even think about it. They made the decision and we understood it You go forward from there and pray that Christ will be honored." James White

He was saying let everyone be convinced in their own minds but he wasn't going to have a condescending attitude towards other believers. He wanted to be a beacon of peace. So that's what I'm saying here as well. Be at peace and don't be mean with each other over this issue. If however we do that very thing then the devil not Christ is honored.

 

[Frank Russell]

It's very interesting when people say stuff like this. What does politics have to do with what is actually factually true? So when "your side" states something as fact and then "the other side" denies it and states something else as fact, do you just automatically take "your side's" position by default? What happens if "the other side's" facts are actually provably true? Do you just dig in your heels and truth be darned?

That's what boggles the mind in all of this. People worry about being on the "correct side" of the issue. It's secondary if that is provably factual. Oh yes, but "your side" actually has the true facts. Right. Yes, that's what the Roman Church said too when they persecuted the scientists who actually had the facts of how the solar system was arranged. You go against the "facts" and you get imprisoned and burned at the stake.

And then there's the funny thing about "conspiracy theories". It's historical fact that there have actually been people plotting clandestinely against the good of society. Conspiracies do exist. It's such cowardice to be afraid of investigating for yourself and in ignorance calling people "conspiracy theorists".

People who call it the mark of the beast don't read anything about what it is, and where it has to be applied on the body. And that would be the equivalent of not being able to buy or sell on the internet or anywhere else.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

God wants believers to be at peace and love towards each other.

Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness. Jm 3:18

And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 1 Pt 4:8

There's a saying all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Then they take that saying to back everything they can do to using natural means to overcome a spiritual problem. If you don't do whatever they say they condemn another as not having the fruits of a Christian.

So what are the fruits of a Christian?

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22

What's the meaning of temperance? Self control. What's the opposite of love and self control...also found in Gal 5:20

"...hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions" Gal 5:20

If one believes they are right (about anything) and yet they have a mean, unfriendly condescending spirit towards another that is not the fruit which is supposed to come from a Christian.

In the video that you yourself have put down look at James White says in the last 5 minutes,

"We didn't demand that everyone else agree with us either. When everybody else closed down we weren't sitting there saying, 'Oh boy we're the holy ones! We didn't even think about it. They made the decision and we understood it You go forward from there and pray that Christ will be honored." James White

He was saying let everyone be convinced in their own minds but he wasn't going to have a condescending attitude towards other believers. He wanted to be a beacon of peace. So that's what I'm saying here as well. Be at peace and don't be mean with each other over this issue. If however we do that very thing then the devil not Christ is honored.

There's a very big difference between seeking peace ALLOWING differences of opinion and having pastors and leaders LAUGH WITH DERISION at your face for having a different opinion. That behaviour is evil and unChristian. And THAT behavior I experienced multiple times in the churches and people I once respected. That is evil fruit.

 

[Rockson]

There's a very big difference between seeking peace ALLOWING differences of opinion and having pastors and leaders LAUGH WITH DERISION at your face for having a different opinion.

Assuming you're not exaggerating their response so what are you going to be now....a part of the problem or a part of the solution? Are you going to be a peacemaker or something else? I've seen people, Christian brethren on BOTH SIDES of this issue walking in the flesh in how they responded to each other. You claim you were marginalized in an unkind way but others on your side have done the same. You can't tell me they haven't for I've seen it.

The message I believe from the Spirit of God to all is this......knock it off with the spirit of strife and disdain and start endeavoring more to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace! His commandment to love one another is still just that....a commandment whether one's feel like doing it or not. We're still to consider that we're all on the same team and his longing is that we'd start acting like it. Again James Whites closing statements were very good. I'm confident he'd be agreeing with me as well.

 

[Rockson]

I believe the government control, isolation in homes, closing down businesses and the required vax is a precursor to the biblical one that is to come- a sort of test trial by the god of this world setting up for his final delusion on this world.

Could be Civic but a question many might be asking is seeing they went down this road as far as they did why didn't they go all the way? There was so many who were thinking they were going to and that was it, anti-Christ, New World Order days had arrived. So swing back to the world to that which was before? Why? It was really a running of humanity into the ground in major ways. Let it back up to clobber it again? Why?

 

[Rockson]

I had people in my own family and church look at me like I took the mark of the beast. It was kind of insane at all the division it caused and the paralysis of our country and the world. The church was divided over it as well.

Satan had a hay day causing vax believing Christians and anti vax Christians to (let me put it in a kind way) not like each other, or have disdain towards each other. At our church we said NO WAY not happening here. We exhorted people with the holding of the line let everyone be convinced in their own hearts and minds. I think we succeeded in doing so.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Satan had a hay day causing vax believing Christians and anti vax Christians to (let me put it in a kind way) not like each other, or have disdain towards each other. At our church we said NO WAY not happening here. We exhorted people with the holding of the line let everyone be convinced in their own hearts and minds. I think we succeeded in doing so.

So in actual fact, everyone compromised on knowing the truth. Hope you don't do that with the Gospel message too. Afterall, it splits families and friends apart. It is the most offensive message you can say. There is only one Truth.

 

[e v e]

It's clear now the jab is evil
many dying and ill ... still !!!
from this nightmare

and now they are putting mrna into other
vaccines and in flu shots


Avoid...

 

[e v e]

Satan had a hay day causing vax believing Christians and anti vax Christians to (let me put it in a kind way) not like each other, or have disdain towards each other. At our church we said NO WAY not happening here. We exhorted people with the holding of the line let everyone be convinced in their own hearts and minds. I think we succeeded in doing so.

there is no neutral position
though

 

[Rockson]

there is no neutral position
though

Of course everyone chose and could chose in the future if they'll be vaccinated or not but that doesn't mean either side has to get into strife about it

 

[e v e]

Of course everyone chose and could chose in the future if they'll be vaccinated or not but that doesn't mean either side has to get into strife about it

well the victims no need to war true... esp. since those who deployed it engaged in trickery
and are the culprits.