No, I do not reject grace salvation. I reject your faulty description and definition of grace salvation.
Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9
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TibiasDad
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My point is only that the two are not the same thing. They are interrelated but not synonymous in their being.
Sometimes the heart does what the mind knows is wrong. Sometimes the heart rejects what the mind believes is correct. That’s not possible if they are the same thing; if they are different words for the same thing.
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This is not some Calvinist distinctive.
Calvinists have a very vocal presence online, much more than their percentage elsewhere, and so things get "branded."
Scripture definitely separates out the spirit and the soul as two distinct things.
The ancients believed the core of a person was located in their intestines and not their heads, because they so deeply felt things.
We must know we have a spiritual dimension beyond our mental understanding, and belief is deeper than mere thought.
Titus
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Your mind has a conscience. We can go against our heart/mind.
Titus
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That's not being challenged.
The heart and mind is the subject matter.
Soul and spirirt are not one in the same in the scriptures.
Well, bless your heart.
Dizerner
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The mind and soul are definitely related here.
Some people say the soul is mind, will and emotions.
The "natural man" is definitely pitted against the "spiritual man," and natural in the Greek is literally the soulish man.
Which is also called the mind of the flesh.
It can be a challenging subject.
That is an assumption that I don't believe can be verified in scripture.
Again, an assumption. In both the OT and the NT when speaking of man, soul and spirit are often used interchangeably even though the soul and the spirit are not precisely the same.
Another assumption it seems to me. Soulish technically described any blooded animal including man. But only man has a spirit.
I don't know where you are getting that. Flesh denotes the physcial, the mind denotes the mental.
Indeed it can be a challenging subject. Given the descriptions going all the way back to Genesis and the creation, thinking of man as a triune being, we are souls, i.e., living beings (compare the Hebrew word, nephesh) in Gen 1:24 and 2:7), we have a body and a spirit. Blooded animals are also souls, i.e., living beings, they have a body, but not a spirit. It is in the spirit of man that he is in the image of God. Whatever qualities one wishes to ascribe to the spirit is conjecture, perhaps correct, but still conjecture.
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Dizerner
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I don't think you've done any deep dive word study into these words.
Flesh is not always used in a material way, it is used in a moral way.
Our physical bodies are not sinful, yet Scripture says the flesh is sinful.
The works of the flesh that Paul lists include many strictly spiritual attitudes.
"Soulish man" and "fleshly mind" are verbatim quotes from Scripture.
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