brightfame52
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False, the elects sins were forgiven when purged away by Christs Death Heb 1:3 the guilt of sin is gone
Things that accompany Christ
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synergy
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If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
brightfame52
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Yeah, tell me something else new
You failed to address this
(2 Tim. 2:25) Can we repent or does God cause us to repent?
CLAIM: Paul writes that “God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth” (2 Tim. 2:25). Some interpreters argue that we cannot repent, unless God grants this to us (c.f. Acts 5:31). Does this eliminate the importance of freewill in regard to repentance? In other words, are we responsible for repentance or is God?
RESPONSE: God gives us the opportunity to repent, but we still decide to repent. There are a number of reasons why this is the case:
First, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all call on fallen people to repent. Jesus called for repentance (Mk. 1:15). So did Peter (Acts 3:19). So did Paul (Acts 17:30). These calls for repentance would be an illusion if repentance is actually a gift. In other words, why would God call on us to repent, if this is actually impossible to do? Calvinistic interpreters often counter that God often asks humans to do the impossible, knowing that we cannot do it (Mt. 5:48; Mk. 12:30). However, these calls for perfection are analogous. God’s calls for perfection are the standard that God righteously requires (c.f. Rom. 2:7). Therefore, by appealing to these verses, we are really comparing apples with oranges.
Second, God granted repentance to a group, rather than an individual. We need to be careful not to read the Bible as referring to me, when it is actually referring to we. This corporate language doesn’t fit with the idea that God forced us as individuals to repent and receive him. Instead, Paul is effectually saying that God is breaking into new groups of people. For instance, in Acts 11:18, we read, “God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.” Here, the focus is specifically on the Gentiles. However, when God grants repentance to the Gentiles, it is clear that he is not saving every Gentile! Instead, he is simply saying that God is reaching new groups of people. For this reason, we shouldn’t read something into these passages that isn’t there.
Third, being granted repentance refers to an opportunity –not an action. In one sense, being granted repentance is God’s offer (i.e. opportunity). While in another sense, being granted repentance is our decision (i.e. action). Similarly, Paul viewed suffering as being “granted for Christ’s sake” (Phil. 1:29). Of course, when God grants us to suffer, he is not forcing us to suffer. Instead, he simply gives us the opportunity to suffer for the cause of Christ. In a similar way, consider the word “surrender.” This can be used in two complimentary ways: both as an opportunity and an action. Likewise, when God grants us repentance, he is giving us the opportunity to repent. For instance: OPPORTUNITY: “The enemy gave us an opportunity to surrender.”
ACTION: “We surrendered to the enemy.”
Fourth, it would be inconsistent to say that God grants some people repentance, when in 2 Peter he grants this to everyone. How could God grant some people repentance, when it’s clear that he doesn’t want “any” to perish but for “all” to come to repentance (2 Pet. 3:9)?
Because he has all power does not mean he uses it in every circumstance
Grant does not mean to irresistibly cause belief contrary to one's will.
Again
You should note nowhere is it stated "grant" means "to irresistibly impose apart from one's will."
synergy
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So then you do agree that when we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Excellent, what a Team! Together we continue to slay calvinism right before everyone's eyes.
brightfame52
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Repentance is given by Christ and with Christ Rom 8:32
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
brightfame52
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When He gives repentance, it causes them to repent
brightfame52
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Sins were forgiven when Jesus sat down at the Right hand of God, He had purged them away Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That word purged means:
, a cleansing from the guilt of sins
He does not irresistibly cause repentance, which is left up to man.
Man may repent
Jeremiah 31:18-19
I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning: ‘You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God. / After I returned, I repented; and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh in grief. I was ashamed and humiliated because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
Revelation 2:21–22 (LEB) — 21 And I have given her time in order to repent, and she did not want to repent from her sexual immorality. 22 Behold, I am throwing her into a sickbed and those who committed adultery with her into great affliction, unless they repent from her deeds.
Luke 11:32 (LEB) — 32 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here!
Ezekiel 18:30–32 (LEB) — 30 “Therefore I will judge you, house of Israel, each one according to his ways,” declares the Lord Yahweh. “Repent and turn around from all of your transgression, and it will not be as a stumbling block of iniquity to you.
Draw near to God
James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
return to the Lord
Isa 55:6–7Seek Yahweh while he lets himself be found; call him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the man of sin his thoughts. And let him return to Yahweh, that he may take pity on him, and to our God, for he will forgive manifold.
Jeremiah 3:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, ‘Return, apostate Israel,’ declares Yahweh. ‘I will not cause my anger to fall on you. For I am loyal,’ declares Yahweh. ‘I will not be angry forever. 13 Only acknowledge your guilt, that against Yahweh your God you have rebelled, and have scattered your ways to the strangers under every leafy tree, and you have not obeyed my voice,’ declares Yahweh.” 14 “Return, apostate children,” declares Yahweh. “For I am your master, and I will take you one from a city and two from a clan, and I will bring you to Zion.
Choose to serve God
Joshua 24:15–22 (LEB) — 15 But if it is bad in your eyes to serve Yahweh, choose for yourselves today whom you want to serve, whether it is the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh.” 16 And the people answered and said, “Far be it from us that we would forsake Yahweh to serve other gods, 17 for Yahweh our God brought us and our ancestors from the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery, and did these great signs before our eyes. He protected us along the entire way that we went, and among all the peoples through whose midst we passed. 18 And Yahweh drove out all the people before us, the Amorites who live in the land. We will serve Yahweh, for he is our God.” 19 But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve Yahweh, for he is a holy and jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins. 20 If you forsake Yahweh and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster to you; he will destroy you after he has done good to you.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, we will serve Yahweh.” 22 And Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen for yourselves to serve Yahweh.” And they said, “We are witnesses.”
Choose life
Deuteronomy 30:11–20 (LEB) — 11 “For this commandment that I am commanding you today is not too wonderful for you, and it is not too far from you. 12 It is not in the heavens so that you might say, ‘Who will go up for us to the heavens and get it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 13 And it is not beyond the sea, so that you might say, ‘Who will cross for us to the other side of the sea and take it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, even in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may do it. 15 “See, I am setting before you today life and prosperity and death and disaster; 16 what I am commanding you today is to love Yahweh your God by going in his ways and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his regulations, and then you will live, and you will become numerous, and Yahweh your God will bless you in the land where you are going. 17 However, if your heart turns aside and you do not listen and you are lured away and you bow down to other gods and you serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you will certainly perish; you will not extend your time on the land that you are crossing the Jordan to go there to take possession of it. 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Yahweh your God by listening to his voice and by clinging to him, for he is your life and the length of your days in order for you to live on the land that Yahweh swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them.”
Isaiah 55:3 (LEB) — 3 Extend your ear, and come to me! Listen so that your soul may live, and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the enduring proofs of the mercies shown to David.
As @Doug Brents said...You have it backwards. You are trying to say that regeneration comes first, and then faith is either given by God, or demonstrated by the person (not sure which of these you believe). But that is wrong. Those that had faith became regenerated. The faith came first, and then the regeneration.
Is perfectly true. If it was not then NO ONE would ever have been told to chose. For it is you you always say once regenerated, then comes the faith and no choice is ever needed according to you... YET the following is proof from the bible that you are backwards.
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO #5, #7, #8, AND ESPECIALLY #9
God Calling People to Choose
1. Deuteronomy 30:19
“I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.”
God explicitly commands a choice.
2. Joshua 24:15
“Choose this day whom you will serve… but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
3. Ezekiel 18:30–32
“Repent and turn from all your transgressions… Why will you die?… Turn and live!”
God pleads for them to change direction.
4. Isaiah 55:6–7
“Seek the LORD while he may be found… Let the wicked forsake his way…”
5. Proverbs 1:29
“Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD…”
God says people actively refuse Him.
Jesus Calling People to Choose
6. Matthew 7:13–14
“Enter by the narrow gate… the gate is wide that leads to destruction… and those who enter by it are many.”
A direct call to choose which gate.
7. Matthew 23:37
“I wanted to gather your children… but you were not willing.”
Jesus places the refusal on them.
8. John 5:40
“You refuse to come to Me that you may have life.”
Not God’s refusal — theirs.
9. John 7:17
“If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know…”
The will of the person matters.
10. John 12:36
“Believe in the light, so that you may become sons of light.”
A command requiring a choice.
11. Luke 13:34
“I wanted to gather you… but you were not willing.”
Repeated again AND choice rejected.
Apostles Calling People to Choose
12. Acts 2:40
“Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
13. Acts 3:19
“Repent therefore and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.”
14. Acts 17:30
“God now commands all people everywhere to repent.”
15. Romans 10:9
“If you confess… and you believe… you will be saved.”
Two human actions.
16. 2 Corinthians 5:20
“We implore you on behalf of Christ: be reconciled to God.”
Imploring makes no sense without choice.
17. Revelation 22:17
“Let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life freely.”
Wishing, coming, taking — all voluntary.
Will you ever address this?
(2 Tim. 2:25) Can we repent or does God cause us to repent?
CLAIM: Paul writes that “God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth” (2 Tim. 2:25). Some interpreters argue that we cannot repent, unless God grants this to us (c.f. Acts 5:31). Does this eliminate the importance of freewill in regard to repentance? In other words, are we responsible for repentance or is God?
RESPONSE: God gives us the opportunity to repent, but we still decide to repent. There are a number of reasons why this is the case:
First, Jesus, Peter, and Paul all call on fallen people to repent. Jesus called for repentance (Mk. 1:15). So did Peter (Acts 3:19). So did Paul (Acts 17:30). These calls for repentance would be an illusion if repentance is actually a gift. In other words, why would God call on us to repent, if this is actually impossible to do? Calvinistic interpreters often counter that God often asks humans to do the impossible, knowing that we cannot do it (Mt. 5:48; Mk. 12:30). However, these calls for perfection are analogous. God’s calls for perfection are the standard that God righteously requires (c.f. Rom. 2:7). Therefore, by appealing to these verses, we are really comparing apples with oranges.
Second, God granted repentance to a group, rather than an individual. We need to be careful not to read the Bible as referring to me, when it is actually referring to we. This corporate language doesn’t fit with the idea that God forced us as individuals to repent and receive him. Instead, Paul is effectually saying that God is breaking into new groups of people. For instance, in Acts 11:18, we read, “God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.” Here, the focus is specifically on the Gentiles. However, when God grants repentance to the Gentiles, it is clear that he is not saving every Gentile! Instead, he is simply saying that God is reaching new groups of people. For this reason, we shouldn’t read something into these passages that isn’t there.
Third, being granted repentance refers to an opportunity –not an action. In one sense, being granted repentance is God’s offer (i.e. opportunity). While in another sense, being granted repentance is our decision (i.e. action). Similarly, Paul viewed suffering as being “granted for Christ’s sake” (Phil. 1:29). Of course, when God grants us to suffer, he is not forcing us to suffer. Instead, he simply gives us the opportunity to suffer for the cause of Christ. In a similar way, consider the word “surrender.” This can be used in two complimentary ways: both as an opportunity and an action. Likewise, when God grants us repentance, he is giving us the opportunity to repent. For instance: OPPORTUNITY: “The enemy gave us an opportunity to surrender.”
ACTION: “We surrendered to the enemy.”
Fourth, it would be inconsistent to say that God grants some people repentance, when in 2 Peter he grants this to everyone. How could God grant some people repentance, when it’s clear that he doesn’t want “any” to perish but for “all” to come to repentance (2 Pet. 3:9)?
Because he has all power does not mean he uses it in every circumstance
Grant does not mean to irresistibly cause belief contrary to one's will.
synergy
Active Member
Although the Son has decisively “made purification for sins” (Heb 1:3), the readers are warned that they must “pay much closer attention” lest they drift from the salvation proclaimed (Heb 2:1–3), because the gospel only benefits those who hear it when it is “united with faith” (Heb 4:2). Hebrews grounds this warning in Israel’s own covenant history, explaining that those who failed to enter God’s rest did so because of unbelief—“they were unable to enter because of unbelief” (Heb 3:18–19). The point is clear within Hebrews’ own argument: the new covenant of Heb 8:8–10 is objectively established by Christ, but its blessings—including “their sins I will remember no more”—are covenantally possessed by those who respond in persevering faith, which Hebrews treats as an essential, not optional, component of belonging to that covenant people.
In summary, Hebrews is talking about believers who possess a covenant relationship that must be entered and lived in by faith (6:12,11:6).
Keep those Calvinism slaying verses coming!
dwight92070
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Turn away from Calvinists and their false teaching.
brightfame52
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Call it what you want, He gives them and causes their repentance. That goes for all the elect He died for, its a package deal
brightfame52
Active Member
Doesnt matter, Christ purged away the sins of them He died for. They are acquitted of all charges, not guilty.
Now you pay attention to that
synergy
Active Member
Your statement proves that you are not here to seek truth, but to propagate error—and in doing so, you are wasting the time of everyone involved. The fact that you've stigmatized all the Hebrew verses I mentioned as "doesnt matter"
proves that Calvinist heresies are in fact indefensible and that's all we needed to know. We can all see what troll-like people are Calvinists.
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brightfame52
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Nothing folk do or dont do changes the fact that Christ by His death purged away the sins, the guilt of sins away. Now it does matter if whether or not you believe that. If you dont believe it, you make God a liar and refuse the scripture testimony/record given of His Son in Heb 1:3Your statement proves that you are not here to seek truth, but to propagate error—and in doing so, you are wasting the time of everyone involved. The fact that you've stigmatized all the Hebrew verses I mentioned as "doesnt matter"
1 Jn 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son
Do you believe the Son of God presented in Heb 1:3 purged away the sins of them He died for, constiuting them guilt free ?
Man may repent of his own will
Jeremiah 31:18-19
I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning: ‘You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God. / After I returned, I repented; and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh in grief. I was ashamed and humiliated because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
Revelation 2:21–22 (LEB) — 21 And I have given her time in order to repent, and she did not want to repent from her sexual immorality. 22 Behold, I am throwing her into a sickbed and those who committed adultery with her into great affliction, unless they repent from her deeds.
Luke 11:32 (LEB) — 32 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here!
Ezekiel 18:30–32 (LEB) — 30 “Therefore I will judge you, house of Israel, each one according to his ways,” declares the Lord Yahweh. “Repent and turn around from all of your transgression, and it will not be as a stumbling block of iniquity to you.
Draw near to God
James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
return to the Lord
Isa 55:6–7Seek Yahweh while he lets himself be found; call him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the man of sin his thoughts. And let him return to Yahweh, that he may take pity on him, and to our God, for he will forgive manifold.
Jeremiah 3:12–14 (LEB) — 12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, ‘Return, apostate Israel,’ declares Yahweh. ‘I will not cause my anger to fall on you. For I am loyal,’ declares Yahweh. ‘I will not be angry forever. 13 Only acknowledge your guilt, that against Yahweh your God you have rebelled, and have scattered your ways to the strangers under every leafy tree, and you have not obeyed my voice,’ declares Yahweh.” 14 “Return, apostate children,” declares Yahweh. “For I am your master, and I will take you one from a city and two from a clan, and I will bring you to Zion.
Choose to serve God
Joshua 24:15–22 (LEB) — 15 But if it is bad in your eyes to serve Yahweh, choose for yourselves today whom you want to serve, whether it is the gods that your ancestors served beyond the river, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve Yahweh.” 16 And the people answered and said, “Far be it from us that we would forsake Yahweh to serve other gods, 17 for Yahweh our God brought us and our ancestors from the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery, and did these great signs before our eyes. He protected us along the entire way that we went, and among all the peoples through whose midst we passed. 18 And Yahweh drove out all the people before us, the Amorites who live in the land. We will serve Yahweh, for he is our God.” 19 But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve Yahweh, for he is a holy and jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins. 20 If you forsake Yahweh and serve foreign gods, he will turn and bring disaster to you; he will destroy you after he has done good to you.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, we will serve Yahweh.” 22 And Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen for yourselves to serve Yahweh.” And they said, “We are witnesses.”
Choose life
Deuteronomy 30:11–20 (LEB) — 11 “For this commandment that I am commanding you today is not too wonderful for you, and it is not too far from you. 12 It is not in the heavens so that you might say, ‘Who will go up for us to the heavens and get it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 13 And it is not beyond the sea, so that you might say, ‘Who will cross for us to the other side of the sea and take it for us and cause us to hear it, so that we may do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, even in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may do it. 15 “See, I am setting before you today life and prosperity and death and disaster; 16 what I am commanding you today is to love Yahweh your God by going in his ways and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his regulations, and then you will live, and you will become numerous, and Yahweh your God will bless you in the land where you are going. 17 However, if your heart turns aside and you do not listen and you are lured away and you bow down to other gods and you serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you will certainly perish; you will not extend your time on the land that you are crossing the Jordan to go there to take possession of it. 19 I invoke as a witness against you today the heaven and the earth: life and death I have set before you, blessing and curse. So choose life, so that you may live, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Yahweh your God by listening to his voice and by clinging to him, for he is your life and the length of your days in order for you to live on the land that Yahweh swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to them.”
Isaiah 55:3 (LEB) — 3 Extend your ear, and come to me! Listen so that your soul may live, and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the enduring proofs of the mercies shown to David.
As @Doug Brents said...You have it backwards. You are trying to say that regeneration comes first, and then faith is either given by God, or demonstrated by the person (not sure which of these you believe). But that is wrong. Those that had faith became regenerated. The faith came first, and then the regeneration.
Is perfectly true. If it was not then NO ONE would ever have been told to chose. For it is you you always say once regenerated, then comes the faith and no choice is ever needed according to you... YET the following is proof from the bible that you are backwards.
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO #5, #7, #8, AND ESPECIALLY #9
God Calling People to Choose
1. Deuteronomy 30:19
“I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live.”
God explicitly commands a choice.
2. Joshua 24:15
“Choose this day whom you will serve… but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
3. Ezekiel 18:30–32
“Repent and turn from all your transgressions… Why will you die?… Turn and live!”
God pleads for them to change direction.
4. Isaiah 55:6–7
“Seek the LORD while he may be found… Let the wicked forsake his way…”
5. Proverbs 1:29
“Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD…”
God says people actively refuse Him.
Jesus Calling People to Choose
6. Matthew 7:13–14
“Enter by the narrow gate… the gate is wide that leads to destruction… and those who enter by it are many.”
A direct call to choose which gate.
7. Matthew 23:37
“I wanted to gather your children… but you were not willing.”
Jesus places the refusal on them.
8. John 5:40
“You refuse to come to Me that you may have life.”
Not God’s refusal — theirs.
9. John 7:17
“If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know…”
The will of the person matters.
10. John 12:36
“Believe in the light, so that you may become sons of light.”
A command requiring a choice.
11. Luke 13:34
“I wanted to gather you… but you were not willing.”
Repeated again AND choice rejected.
Apostles Calling People to Choose
12. Acts 2:40
“Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
13. Acts 3:19
“Repent therefore and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.”
14. Acts 17:30
“God now commands all people everywhere to repent.”
15. Romans 10:9
“If you confess… and you believe… you will be saved.”
Two human actions.
16. 2 Corinthians 5:20
“We implore you on behalf of Christ: be reconciled to God.”
Imploring makes no sense without choice.
17. Revelation 22:17
“Let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life freely.”
Wishing, coming, taking — all voluntary.
brightfame52
Active Member
No they cant, they cant please God at all Rom 8:8 Jesus gives repentance when He saves a person Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
God does not agree with you.
Man may repent
Jeremiah 31:18-19
I have surely heard Ephraim’s moaning: ‘You disciplined me severely, like an untrained calf. Restore me, that I may return, for You are the LORD my God. / After I returned, I repented; and after I was instructed, I struck my thigh in grief. I was ashamed and humiliated because I bore the disgrace of my youth.’
Revelation 2:21–22 (LEB) — 21 And I have given her time in order to repent, and she did not want to repent from her sexual immorality. 22 Behold, I am throwing her into a sickbed and those who committed adultery with her into great affliction, unless they repent from her deeds.
Luke 11:32 (LEB) — 32 The people of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the proclamation of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here!
Ezekiel 18:30–32 (LEB) — 30 “Therefore I will judge you, house of Israel, each one according to his ways,” declares the Lord Yahweh. “Repent and turn around from all of your transgression, and it will not be as a stumbling block of iniquity to you.
Draw near to God
James 4:8-10
Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. / Grieve, mourn, and weep. Turn your laughter to mourning, and your joy to gloom. / Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.
