Things that accompany Christ

[TomL]

Yes at the Cross, with Christ brings all the necessary elements to save them He died for. The Legal Healing, then also the Spiritual Healing through regeneration which them causes 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Living unto righteousness accompanies Christ, so that becomes a Spiritual reality. That's living by Faith in Christ our Righteousness. That requires a New Spiritual life and nature, So Jesus provides that.

Barnes writes:

Should live unto righteousness - Though dead in respect to sin, yet we have real life in another respect. We are made alive unto God to righteousness, to true holiness. See the Romans 6:11 note; Galatians 2:20 note.

Romans 6:11 (NASB 95) — 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Nothing there addresses the 5 points of TULIP.

Galatians 2:20 (NASB 95) — 20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Here Paul lives by faith in the son of God

There is nothing here supporting your theology here either.

 

[brightfame52]

Yet you have God regenerating multitudes of them

What u mean ?

 

[brightfame52]

You entirely ignored this.

So do you understand the Spiritual healing that accompanies Christ? See fallen dead sinners needed a inward work as well, Jesus provided that as well as Saviour

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 6:11 (NASB 95) — 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Yes. Through Jesus Christ them He died for became dead to sin, and then alive to God, that means He regenerated them, b4 being made alive to God, the elect spiritually are dead to God

 

[Kampioen]

Okay, that pretty much settles the debate

Okay. That Person could never please God in the flesh

Not in the flesh without effectual grace for salvation. However he must first know how. Wanting is not good enough.

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Then when he libertarianly believes, God will give repentance and forgiveness and salvation. ...

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Otherwise if he resists, ...

Acts 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

 

[brightfame52]

Not in the flesh without effectual grace for salvation.

Right thats regeneration, that must occur b4 a person can believe in Jesus which pleases God

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Okay then Paul will take the time to explain to him the Gospel, the word of the Lord as Per Acts 16:31-32

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

If someone came to me showing an interest in salvation, that would be a opportunity to explain the Gospel of Christ and Grace to that individual. And if God has already done a work of grace in their heart, they will believe and be saved

 

[TomL]

Yes. Through Jesus Christ them He died for became dead to sin, and then alive to God, that means He regenerated them, b4 being made alive to God, the elect spiritually are dead to God

Romans 6:11 (NASB 95) — 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Nothing there addresses the 5 points of TULIP.

It does not mention regeneration before faith

And you still ignore the fact

John 1:12–13 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

One must receive Christ, that is, believe in his name, before becoming a child of God that is born again.

 

[TomL]

So do you understand the Spiritual healing that accompanies Christ? See fallen dead sinners needed a inward work as well, Jesus provided that as well as Saviour

You failed to address this

You entirely ignored this.

At the cross, contrary to your theology

At the cross

1 John 2:2 (NASB 95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Christ was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.

The whole world is not the elect.

And you can't deal with it

 

[TomL]

What u mean ?

Your words were

The unregenerate are in the flesh, and consequently cannot please God

But your doctrine has God regenerating unregenerate men in the flesh

So God is not pleased regenerating the unconditionally elect

WOOPS

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 6:11 (NASB 95) — 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

already answered

 

[TomL]

already answered

A clear falsehood

Romans 6:11 (NASB 95) — 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Nothing there addresses the 5 points of TULIP.

It does not mention regeneration before faith

And you still ignore the fact

John 1:12–13 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

One must receive Christ, that is, believe in his name, before becoming a child of God that is born again.

 

[brightfame52]

A clear falsehood

Romans 6:11 (NASB 95) — 11 Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Already answered I talked about 1 Pet 2:24-25 and you dissed it

 

[Kampioen]

Right thats regeneration, that must occur b4 a person can believe in Jesus which pleases God


Okay then Paul will take the time to explain to him the Gospel, the word of the Lord as Per Acts 16:31-32

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

If someone came to me showing an interest in salvation, that would be a opportunity to explain the Gospel of Christ and Grace to that individual. And if God has already done a work of grace in their heart, they will believe and be saved

So you are saying a man ie the jailer, that is still in the flesh, not even given repentance or forgiveness yet or even knows how, is already born again/regenerated, and pleases God?

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

So then some of the men in Rom 8:8 please God after all, all the while still in the flesh? ...

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[brightfame52]

So you are saying a man ie the jailer, that is still in the flesh, not even given repentance or forgiveness yet or even knows how, is already born again/regenerated, and pleases God?

I believe he had been given repentance and regenerated and thats why the interest for his soul God planned it all, he was one of His Sheep.

 

[Kampioen]

I believe he had been given repentance and regenerated and thats why the interest for his soul God planned it all, he was one of His Sheep.

Was he in the flesh before belief and salvation ie before he knew how?

Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

 

[TomL]

Already answered I talked about 1 Pet 2:24-25 and you dissed it

Um you ignored this

John 1:12–13 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

One must receive Christ, that is, believe in his name, before becoming a child of God that is born again.

and regarding 1 Pe 2:24

1 Peter 2:24 (NASB 95) — 24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

It says nothing at all supporting your doctrine of unbelievers being regenerated

 

[brightfame52]

Was he in the flesh before belief and salvation ie before he knew how?

Have you not paid any attention to me ? You wasting my time

 

[brightfame52]

To be made righteous !

To be made righteous accompanies the giving of Christ !

Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

His one act of obedience saved the many. The many weren't saved by their obedience, oh no but by His obedience, and to be made righteous is salvation !

 

[brightfame52]

Now the things that accompany Christ, having been given, delivered up for us all, speaking of the elect of course, speaks to the efficacy of His Death,

All the elect He was delivered up for, offered Himself in their behalf, it thereby sanctified them , observe Heb 10:5-10

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word sanctified here is the greek word ἡγιασμένοι:

1. to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2. to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
   1. consecrate things to God
   2. dedicate people to God

His death seperated those He died for from the world, unto God

Also the word is in the perfect tense passive voice.

This is a completed act once and for all.

This is even b4 the elect are born, just like it was with Jer 1:5

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

So every sinner Christ died for are set apart for the holy purposes of God b4 they are born, just as was Jeremiah the Holy Prophet

 

[brightfame52]

He put away our sins, if He died for us Heb 9:26

26 ;For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The phrase "to put away sin" is the word athetésis:

Setting aside, annulment, rejection

cancellation i.e. what is rendered "no longer in effect"

Sins cant be charged to Gods elect because His death cancelled them out
barnes said:

To put away sin -

(1) To remove the punishment due to sin, or to provide a way of pardon; and,to remove the stain of sin from the soul;

JFB wrote:

put away—abolish; doing away sin's power as well by delivering men from its guilt and penalty, so that it should be powerless to condemn men, as also from its yoke, so that they shall at last sin no more.

All the elect He died for are born Justified from all sin, their sins were cancelled by the sacrifice of Himself.