Things that accompany Christ

[synergy]

You not acknowledging Heb 1:3 and Christs finished work in purifying the sins of the elect away.

I did acknowledge Heb 1:3. See paragraph below. This proves that you can't read or are not willing to read what's written, either in the Bible or anywhere else.

Unlike you, I acknowledge all Book of Hebrews verses all together. We need to appropriate (Hebrews 2:1–3) Christ's purging of our sins (Heb 1:3) through faith (Heb 4:2) so that we are not barred from entering God’s rest because of unbelief (Heb 3:18–19).

The guilt of all their sins are gone !

Once we appropriate (Hebrews 2:1–3) Christ's purging of our sins (Heb 1:3) through faith (Heb 4:2) then we are not barred from entering God’s rest because of unbelief (Heb 3:18–19)!

 

[brightfame52]

Not in the sense you imagine

Repentance and Forgiveness of sins accompany Christ Acts 5:31 all for whom He died will be given those blessings

Rom 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

 

[brightfame52]

I did acknowledge Heb 1:3.

Okay then you should acknowledge that the sins of the elect are purged away, thats what the scripture teaches. Once that occurs God remembers them no more Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

because His Son purged them away.

Now you blaspheme and say this benefit can be forfeited, God unpurges their sins, disregards Christ work and then remembers their sins and against them. Give me a break with your nonsense.

 

[TomL]

Repentance and Forgiveness of sins accompany Christ Acts 5:31 all for whom He died will be given those blessings

Rom 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

You failed to meet all this

Not in the sense you imagine. You believe it is irresistable however Men come to faith and repentance by the word and activity of God and Christ.

Upon repentance and faith

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Men are told to repent. It therefore is something they must do not something for which they have no response

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is us who must confess

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter is telling men they must repent

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Men are to: humble themselves, and pray, and seek God's face, and turn from their wicked ways

Prov 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: But whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Men are commanded to repent

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Ezek 18:30–32 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Repentance and the lack of it stated as being according to their ways.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts: And let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; And to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

 

[synergy]

Okay then you should acknowledge that the sins of the elect are purged away, thats what the scripture teaches. Once that occurs God remembers them no more Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

because His Son purged them away.

To whom is the possessive pronoun "their" in Heb 8:12 pointing to? It is covenantal people with a covenant relationship shown throughout Hebrews to be entered and lived in by faith. Although the Son has decisively “made purification for sins” (1:3), the readers are warned that they must “pay much closer attention” lest they drift from the salvation proclaimed (2:1–3), because the gospel only benefits those who hear it when it is “united with faith” (4:2). Hebrews grounds this warning in Israel’s own covenant history, explaining that those who failed to enter God’s rest did so because of unbelief—“they were unable to enter because of unbelief” (3:18–19). The point is clear within Hebrews’ own argument: the new covenant of 8:8–10 is objectively established by Christ, but its blessings—including “their sins I will remember no more”—are covenantally possessed by those who respond in persevering faith, which Hebrews treats as an essential, not optional, component of belonging to that covenant people.

Now you blaspheme and say this benefit can be forfeited, God unpurges their sins, disregards Christ work and then remembers their sins and against them. Give me a break with your nononsense.

The Bible is NOT blaspeming when it declares that we must appropriate (Heb 2:1–3) Christ's purging of our sins (Heb 1:3) through faith (Heb 4:2) so that we are not barred from entering God’s rest because of unbelief (Heb 3:18–19)!

The Bible is NOT nonsense. Emotional rants will get you nowhere.

 

[brightfame52]

You failed to meet all this

Aint nothing to meet. Christ gives repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel Elect. Do you have a scripture saying otherwise ?

 

[brightfame52]

To whom is the possessive pronoun "their" in Heb 8:12 pointing to?

The ones Christ died for in Heb 1:3 and purged their sins as their Mediator of the New Covenant.

Its utter blasphemy to suggest man can undo what Christ has done for them. Their actions has nothing to do with what Christ did.

 

[brightfame52]

The Bible is NOT blaspeming when it declares that we must appropriate (Heb 2:1–3)

No you blaspheming, the bible never said what you are saying. Those verses say nothing about anyone having to do anything in regards to Heb 1:3 You reading your garbage into those text

 

[synergy]

The ones Christ died for in Heb 1:3 and purged their sins as their Mediator of the New Covenant.

You just tossed a half dozen Hebrews verses into the garbage. That's your way of coping with reality. I see now whom I'm dealing with here.

Its utter blasphemy to suggest man can undo what Christ has done for them. Their actions has nothing to do with what Christ did.

Here we go with the false accusations. Nobody is saying that man can undo what Christ has done for them. The Atonement is complete and finished. Now it's up to everyone to appropriate (Heb 2:1–3) Christ's purging of our sins (Heb 1:3) through faith (Heb 4:2) so that we are not barred from entering God’s rest because of unbelief (Heb 3:18–19).

I highly recommend that you stop tossing Hebrews verses into the garbage.

 

[synergy]

No you blaspheming, the bible never said what you are saying. Those verses say nothing about anyone having to do anything in regards to Heb 1:3 You reading your garbage into those text

It is NOT garbage when the Bible says that we must appropriate (Heb 2:1–3) Christ's purging of our sins (Heb 1:3) through faith (Heb 4:2) so that we are not barred from entering God’s rest because of unbelief (Heb 3:18–19).

It is highly recommended that you stop desecrating the Bible. Once you stop doing that then all your heresies will evaporate.

 

[brightfame52]

You just tossed a half dozen Hebrews verses into the garbage.

No I didnt

Nobody is saying that man can undo what Christ has done for them

Okay so them for whom Christ died in Heb 1:3 and purged their sins, they are forgiven and saved, They have no guilt of sin b4 God. The word purge is the greek word katharismos :

1. a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

Theyre not guilty. Thats Justified
So thats why later in the letter its written Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

But you do lie and say they can still die in their sins if they don't appropriate something. Thats a Blasphemous Lie friend

 

[brightfame52]

It is NOT garbage when the Bible says that we must appropriate (Heb 2:1–3)

It is garbage and no scripture utters that nonsense. Heb 2:1-3 doesn't say that, where does it say" it[the purging] must be appropriated in those verses? Until you show that, keep your garbage to yourself my friend

You making Heb 1:3 into a conditional law man must do.

 

[synergy]

No I didnt

Okay so them for whom Christ died in Heb 1:3 and purged their sins, they are forgiven and saved, They have no guilt of sin b4 God. The word purge is the greek word katharismos :

1. a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ

Theyre not guilty. Thats Justified
So thats why later in the letter its written Heb 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

But you do lie and say they can still die in their sins if they don't appropriate something. Thats a Blasphemous Lie friend

I highlighted the Hebrews verses that you keep skipping over. Address them first and then we can proceed from there.

Heb 8:12 is pointing to believers who possess a covenant relationship that must be entered and lived in by faith (6:12,11:6). Although the Son has decisively “made purification for sins” (1:3), the readers are warned that they must “pay much closer attention” lest they drift from the salvation proclaimed (2:1–3), because the gospel only benefits those who hear it when it is “united with faith” (4:2). Hebrews grounds this warning in Israel’s own covenant history, explaining that those who failed to enter God’s rest did so because of unbelief—“they were unable to enter because of unbelief” (3:18–19). The point is clear within Hebrews’ own argument: the new covenant of 8:8–10 is objectively established by Christ, but its blessings—including “their sins I will remember no more”—are covenantally possessed by those who respond in persevering faith, which Hebrews treats as an essential, not optional, component of belonging to that covenant people.

 

[brightfame52]

I highlighted the Hebrews verses that you keep skipping over.

Not one verse states that garbage you spewing

 

[synergy]

Not one verse states that garbage you spewing

Then tell us how all those verses could possibly align themselves with your Calvinist heresies. A non-answer from you will convince us of what we always suspected of Calvinists.

 

[brightfame52]

Then tell us how all those verses could possibly align themselves with your Calvinist heresies. A non-answer from you will convince us of what we always suspected of Calvinists.

Thats your responsibility to show that. Because not one of them say the garbage you stated. My responsibility is to declare the plain testimony of scripture of what Christ did. What did He do according to Heb 1:3

; 3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

I will take time to show scriptures that align with Heb 1:3 and what Christ accomplished.

 

[Kampioen]

Yes He gave them to the elect as their Highly Exalted Prince and Saviour Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Maybe you dont understand Christ role as a Saviour, its to give repentance and forgiveness of sins

Giving repentance and forgiveness means Christ provides the truth and grace that awakens a desire for God in a person’s heart.

Those who libertarianly cooperate and believe, God effectually forgives. These are the elect, which God foreknows.

Those who libertarianly counter-desire ie resist the Holy Spirit, are not forgiven.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 

[TomL]

Aint nothing to meet. Christ gives repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel Elect. Do you have a scripture saying otherwise ?

You failed to address this


Not in the sense you imagine. You believe it is irresistable however Men may come to faith and repentance by the word and activity of God and Christ or they may not.


Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Men are told to repent. It therefore is something they must do not something for which they have no response

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is us who must confess

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter is telling men they must repent

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

2 Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Men are to: humble themselves, and pray, and seek God's face, and turn from their wicked ways

Prov 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: But whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.


Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Men are commanded to repent

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Ezek 18:30–32 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Repentance and the lack of it stated as being according to their ways.

Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts: And let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; And to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

 

[brightfame52]

Giving repentance and forgiveness means Christ provides the truth and grace that awakens a desire for God in a person’s heart.

It means He gives repentance. causing them to repent. He gives them forgiveness of sins on the divine record book in heavens courts of Justice. He is a complete Saviour Saving legally [forgiveness] and Spiritually [repentance]

 

[TomL]

It means He gives repentance. causing them to repent. He gives them forgiveness of sins on the divine record book in heavens courts of Justice. He is a complete Saviour Saving legally [forgiveness] and Spiritually [repentance]

Nowhere do we see in scripture that God gives an irresistible gift to repent.

If repentance were irresistible given there would be no need to give time for an acceptance of it.

Revelation 2:21 (NASB 95) — 21 I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.