The Unconditional Election Debate: An Universalist Perspective

[brightfame52]

He was born in the flesh.

Yes but not in sinful flesh, just the likeness of it Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

If it wasnt no such thing as sinful flesh, it would be unnecessary for Paul to write it like that.

Elliot writes:

In the likeness of sinful flesh—i.e., in the flesh, but not in sinful flesh. With a human body which was so far like the physical organisation of the rest of mankind, but yet which was not in Him, as in other men, the seat of sin; at once like and unlike.

Barnes writes:

God, sending his own Son - That is, God did, or accomplished, that, by sending his Son, which the Law could not do. The word did, or accomplished, it is necessary to understand here, in order to complete the sense.In the likeness of sinful flesh - That is, he so far resembled sinful flesh that he partook of flesh, or the nature of man, but without any of its sinful propensities or desires. It was not human nature; not, as the Docetae taught, human nature in appearance only; but it was human nature Without any of its corruptions.

Matt Poole

In the likeness of sinful flesh; i.e. such flesh as sin hath made now to be subject to many infirmities and weaknesses. Flesh in this clause carries quite another sense than it did in the first verse; and in the former part of this verse, than it doth in the following verse; there it is taken morally for the corrupt nature of man, here physically for the human nature of Christ. The word likeness is to be linked, not with flesh, but with sinful flesh; he had true and real flesh, but he had only the appearance and likeness of sinful flesh: see 2 Corinthians 5:21 Hebrews 4:15 7:26 1 Peter 1:19.

Gill writes

in which he was sent, "in the likeness of sinful flesh"; which expresses the reality of his incarnation, of his having a true real human nature; for flesh is not to be taken strictly for a part of the body, nor for the whole body only, but for the whole human nature, soul and body; which though it looked like a sinful nature, yet was not sinful: the likeness of it denotes the outward appearance of Christ in it; who was born of a sinful woman; was subject to the infirmities of human nature, which though not sinful, are the effects of sin;

 

[civic]

Okay I disagree with you. I believe you in error in that regard, nothing I can do to change that. Now that said, according to my convictions and according to Rom 8:8 they which be in the flesh are the unregenerate without the Spirit as its stated in Jude here Jude 1:19

These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

As such they cant please God. You can be as religous and sincere , moral honest as can be, but they never can please God. Mans only hope of pleasing God is first being born again, otherwise as Jesus said Jn 3:6-7

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

But Jesus in the flesh didnt need to be born again, He was without sin and or sin nature.

flesh has "context" just like any other word used in the bible to figure out its meaning.

 

[brightfame52]

flesh has "context" just like any other word used in the bible to figure out its meaning.

Hey Im not going back and forth with you on it. You see my position

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Yesterday at 8:57 AM

He was born in the flesh.

Yes but not in sinful flesh, just the likeness of it Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

If it wasnt no such thing as sinful flesh, it would be unnecessary for Paul to write it like that.

Elliot writes:

In the likeness of sinful flesh—i.e., in the flesh, but not in sinful flesh. With a human body which was so far like the physical organisation of the rest of mankind, but yet which was not in Him, as...

• brightfame52

 

[civic]

Hey Im not going back and forth with you on it. You see my position

Post in thread 'The Unconditional Election Debate: An Universalist Perspective'

Yesterday at 8:57 AM

He was born in the flesh.

Yes but not in sinful flesh, just the likeness of it Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

If it wasnt no such thing as sinful flesh, it would be unnecessary for Paul to write it like that.

Elliot writes:

In the likeness of sinful flesh—i.e., in the flesh, but not in sinful flesh. With a human body which was so far like the physical organisation of the rest of mankind, but yet which was not in Him, as...

• brightfame52

i don't care what your appeal to authority has to say since its not what the bible states as fact. I'm not interested in eisegesis.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Yes but not in sinful flesh, just the likeness of it Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

If it wasnt no such thing as sinful flesh, it would be unnecessary for Paul to write it like that.

Elliot writes:



Barnes writes:



Matt Poole



Gill writes

@brightfame52,

I wish you would change subjects because you have your beliefs and we have what we know and neither will change because both claim to be right.

Why don't you get into something more fun and lets talk Theophany........?

 

[civic]

@brightfame52,

I wish you would change subjects because you have your beliefs and we have what we know and neither will change because both claim to be right.

Why don't you get into something more fun and lets talk Theophany........?

It’s all about TD and election for some

 

[praise_yeshua]

It’s all about TD and election for some

Got to make sure they protect themselves.....