The Unconditional Election Debate: An Universalist Perspective

[TomL]

You cant accept the truth, them in the flesh cannot please God

Those who believe not only please God but are also made sons of God and in the Spirit.

Heb 11:6And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

John 1:9–12 (NASB 95) — 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

 

[TomL]

No you do. And I have told you them in Jn 1:12 believe because they were born of God. Otherwise they cant please God duh

Sorry but you read the verse in reverse

Fact: One must receive Christ before being made a child of God.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,

So one must believe before he can become a child of God

as typically seen

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 95) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (NASB 95) — 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:14 (NASB 95) — 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

but you ignore multiple verses to hold your theology

 

[TomL]

They cant believe since they cant please God Rom 8:8 so be careful lest you call God a liar

Sorry, but you err and deny God's word

Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

One must have faith

One who comes to God must believe, pleasing God.

And as seen, the Spirit is received upon faith—a reward to those who believe.

 

[TomL]

The regenerate however have not only flesh but the Spirit Gal 5 17

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

The unregenerate dont have the Spirit, so they are in the flesh.

When men believe they receive the Spirit and are not unregenerate

Galatians 3:2 (NASB 95) — 2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (NASB 95) — 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:14 (NASB 95) — 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[civic]

Them in the flesh can't please God!

Jesus was in the flesh, made flesh- the same flesh as all mankind.

Jesus becomes your stumbling block- the stone the builders rejected.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Let me ask you a quick question, bright.
"For the one who sows to his own flesh will reap destruction from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit." Gal 6:8
In the verse above, who is the one sowing and reaping? On whom is the impetus of action placed?

Rabbit trail

You cannot answer can you @brightfame52 . You do not know.

 

[brightfame52]

Those who believe not only please God but are also made sons of God and in the Spirit.

If they believed then thats evidence they had been born again and no longer in the flesh. Otherwise they which be in the flesh cannot believe because that pleases God

 

[brightfame52]

When men believe they receive the Spirit and are not unregenerate

No when men believed, they already had been regenerated because they which be in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus was in the flesh, made flesh-

Not the same thing. Jesus was in sinless flesh, He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.

 

[brightfame52]

You cannot answer can you @brightfame52 . You do not know.

I did answer, rabbit trail

 

[civic]

Not the same thing. Jesus was in sinless flesh, He was made in the likeness of sinful flesh.

no His flesh was not sinless , He was.

 

[FreeInChrist]

I did answer, rabbit trail

Look Dot. You need to follow your rabbit trail til you meet the Wizard and he will tell you all about it.

 

[brightfame52]

no His flesh was not sinless , He was.

So are u saying Christs flesh was sinful flesh ? Like in Rom 8 describes it was only in the likeness of Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[brightfame52]

Look Dot. You need to follow your rabbit trail til you meet the Wizard and he will tell you all about it.

More rabbit trail

 

[civic]

So are u saying Christs flesh was sinful flesh ? Like in Rom 8 describes it was only in the likeness of Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

No such thing as sinful flesh

 

[FreeInChrist]

More rabbit trail

Θαυμαστὸς ἐν ἀγνοίᾳ

 

[brightfame52]

No such thing as sinful flesh

Talk to Paul about that, he wrote Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[civic]

Talk to Paul about that, he wrote Rom 8:3

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Likeness

Next fallacy

 

[TomL]

No when men believed, they already had been regenerated because they which be in the flesh cannot please God Rom 8:8

Sorry, but no

The Spirit is not received until men believe

Galatians 3:2 (LSB) — 2 This is the only thing I want to learn from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LSB) — 5 So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:14 (LSB) — 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

John 7:39 (LSB) — 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were going to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

And as was posted

Hebrews 11:6 (NASB 95) — 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

God is pleased with the faith of those who come to him

 

[TomL]

If they believed then thats evidence they had been born again and no longer in the flesh. Otherwise they which be in the flesh cannot believe because that pleases God

Not according to any passage

Hebrews 11:6 (NASB 95) — 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Those without faith are not regenerated.

John 3:36 (NASB 95) — 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”

1 John 5:12 The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.