Ahh but then that is by HIS will, GOD's grace thru faith, right? Not by our own will...so why do only some get HIS grace?
The Unconditional Election Debate: An Universalist Perspective
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brightfame52
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It's a rabbit trail
brightfame52
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It's all in your head
brightfame52
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shows your error in denying regeneration b4 the Cross
Doug Brents
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You refuse to answer because you KNOW that it will destroy your doctrine if you even think about the consequence of that verse. But go ahead, hide your head in the sand.
brightfame52
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Lol its a rabbit trail. Thats what folk like you do when they been defeated but dont want to accept it.
You ignored this
First, you ignored the fact that one must receive Christ, that is, believe in him, before being made a child of God
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
plainly shown
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
You keep ignoring this fact.
You keep ignoring this fact which refutes your theology
second we are not told when it is men were made children of God here
but the Spirit does not indwell untill
John 7:37–39 (NASB 95) — 37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Doug Brents
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You are right; "It's a rabbit trail" is indeed what folks who have been defeated but don't want to accept it say.
Um this is scripture
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
One must receive Christ before being made a child of God.
you keep running from it.
The bible does not teach irresistible grace. God's grace saves those who believe through the gospel.
John 20:31 (NASB 95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
And Christ was offered for all
John 1:7 (NASB 95) — 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
John 1:29 (NASB 95) — 29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 3:16 (NASB 95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 6:33 (NASB 95) — 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.”
John 6:51 (NASB 95) — 51 I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
2 Corinthians 5:19 (NASB 95) — 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Hebrews 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
1 Timothy 2:4–7 (NASB 95) — 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying) as a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
1 Timothy 4:10 (NASB 95) — 10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
Titus 2:11 (NASB 95) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
1 John 4:14 (NASB 95) — 14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
1 John 2:2 (NASB 95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
brightfame52
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No I didnt you have ignored Rom 8:7-8
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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Rom 8:7-8
Doug Brents
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Again, you cut out the pertinent parts of a comment to find only that which supports your blasphemous dogma. I release you to the destiny God has reserved for you.
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