brightfame52
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No yours. Jn 1:12 was because of Vs 13 having been born of God. They which be in the flesh, not born of God, cant please God. Rom 8:8
The Unconditional Election Debate: An Universalist Perspective
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brightfame52
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Rabbit trail
Born of God is to be a child of God and that is after receiving Christ.
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
To as many as received him. The great mass; the people; the scribes and Pharisees rejected him. A few in his lifetime received him, and many more after his death. To receive him, here, means to believe on him. This is expressed at the end of the verse. Gave he power. This is more appropriately rendered in the margin by the word right or privilege. Comp. Ac. 1:7; 5:4; Ro. 9:21; 1 Co. 7:37; 8:9; 9:4, 5. Sons of God. Children of God by adoption. See Notes on Mat. 1:1. Christians are called sons of God—1st. Because they are adopted by him, 1 Jn. 3:1. 2d. Because they are like him; they resemble him and have his spirit. 3d. They are united to the Lord Jesus, the Son of God—are regarded by him as his brethren (Mat. 25:40), and are therefore regarded as the children of the Most High.
On his name. This is another way of saying believeth in him. The name of a person is often put for the person himself, ch. 2:23; 3:18; 1 Jn. 5:13. From this verse we learn, 1st. That to be a child of God is a privilege—far more so than to be the child of any man, though in the highest degree rich, or learned, or honoured. Christians are therefore more honoured than any other men. 2d. God gave them this privilege. It is not by their own works or deserts; it is because God chose to impart this blessing to them, Ep. 2:8; Jn. 15:16. 3d. This favour is given only to those who believe on him
Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 178–179.
You've got it backwards.
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
To those who receive him he gives the right to become a child of God.
To receive him is to believe on him.
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It is then we are given the right to become a child of God.
brightfame52
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Born of God is being regenerated and no longer in the flesh. Then a person can please God and believe in Jesus
There is no grace of regeneration mentioned in Acts 18:27
Acts 18:28 (NASB 95) — 28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
brightfame52
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No you do, being born of God means they were regenerated b4 the coming of the Spirit on Pentecost
Sorry, they received him; that is believed on him before being made a child of God.
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
You ignore the fact they received Christ before that
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
brightfame52
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Its the work of the Spirit, its of grace. Its also called the Spirit of grace because He is the God of all Grace Zech 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
It could read with no harm Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through the Spirit:
In fact Peter preached 1 Peter 1 22
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Same thing as Acts 18:27
brightfame52
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Impossible, that would mean they pleased God in the flesh against Rom 8:8
You need to read
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Clearly, receiving him precedes the right to become children of God.
Again you failed to show regeneration before faith
There is no grace of regeneration mentioned in Acts 18:27
And you fail to see it is scripture which proves Jesus is the Christ.
Acts 18:28 (NASB 95) — 28 for he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, demonstrating by the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ.
And thus your theology is shown to be in error
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
For receiving, belief in his name precedes being made a child of God.
brightfame52
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I have read it, it shows your error in denying regeneration b4 the Cross
brightfame52
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No it didnt fail. You cant acknowledge it.
Doug Brents
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Nope, serious question that bears directly on your doctrine.
"For the one who sows to his own flesh will reap destruction from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit." Gal 6:8
In the verse above, who is the one sowing and reaping? On whom is the impetus of action placed?
You failed
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
One must receive Christ before being made a child of God
First, you ignored the fact that one must receive Christ, that is, believe in him, before being made a child of God
John 1:12 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
plainly shown
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
You keep ignoring this fact.
second we are not told when it is men were made children of God here
but the Spirit does not indwell untill
John 7:37–39 (NASB 95) — 37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
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