The Myth of Pelagianism

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Did it really exist or was it just a boogie man created by augustine ?

Listen to the 5 claims vs Pelagius actual teachings

He actually taught orthodoxy of his day- the free will of man aligns with Gods grace. Man needs Gods grace, Gods help. He taught cooperation with mans free will always in need of Gods grace. Calvinists like augustine created a strawman. Nothing but a caricature and a smear campaign.

 
Did it really exist of was it just a boogie man created by augustine ?

Listen to the 5 claims vs Pelagius actual teachings

He actually taught orthodoxy of his day- the free will of man aligns with Gods grace. Man needs Gods grace, Gods help. He taught cooperation with mans free will always in need of Gods grace. Calvinists like augustine created a strawman. Nothing but a caricature and a smear campaign.

A whole church council was held to deal with it. But it doesn't exist. LOL 🙄
 
A whole church council was held to deal with it. But it doesn't exist. LOL 🙄
I see you didn't watch the short video. Your opinion in meaningless. An objective book review below.

Ali Bonner has made a significant contribution to the study of ancient Christianity. As its title suggests, The Myth of Pelagianism argues that “Pelagianism” never existed: rather it was “a composite fiction created for polemical purposes . . . a bundle of tenets, some of which were ideas in circulation at the time but had no link to Pelagius, and others of which were created by drawing unwarranted inferences from Pelagius' writings, and reading into his works doctrines that he rejected” (xiii). More than a pedantic quibble over terminology, Bonner's study calls upon scholars to reconsider a series of underlying historical and theological assumptions that continue to define the study of western Christianity. Consequently, Bonner eschews unnecessary engagement with the leviathan of scholarship built upon accepting the historical reality of “Pelagianism,” preferring instead to prioritize historical, theological, and philological analysis of the primary sources.

The book begins with a short introduction in which Bonner contextualizes her argument, lays out its constituent parts, and addresses its evidentiary basis. In language accessible to the non-specialist, she explains both the background and implications of her argument and also introduces "the triune," a convenient shorthand which she uses to describe the closely linked doctrines of original sin, an absolutist view of prevenient grace, and predestination understood as preordainment (xii). The final section (xvii-xviii) addresses the Pelagian corpus and Bonner's decisions to include or exclude particular texts from her analysis.

Chapter 1 evaluates the portrayal of Pelagius' doctrinal teachings by placing the evidence of his writings alongside the fourteen tenets attributed to him by Augustine in De gestis Pelagii. The result of this comparison is sobering: Pelagius is shown to have espoused only the first portion of tenet nine, which states that God's grace is given in accord with merit (16-18). Throughout the chapter, Bonner demonstrates not only that Pelagius believed in the goodness of human nature, free will, and a cooperative relationship between divine grace and the human will but also that Augustine's assertions of Pelagius' arrogance are unsupported by the evidence. Emphasizing the polemical context surrounding the theological debate, Bonner concludes that “the process that took place during the condemnation of 'Pelagianism' can be described as the invention of a heresy in order to relocate orthodoxy” (26).

In chapters 2 and 3, Bonner examines several prominent (and indisputably orthodox) examples of earlier ascetic paraenetic literature to demonstrate that Pelagius' theological positions had been in circulation long before he wrote. Here, as elsewhere, English translations are employed in the main text while the original languages are fully provided in the footnotes. Chapter 2 investigates Athanasius' Life of Antony in the original Greek and in the Latin translations of an anonymous author and Evagrius of Antioch. What emerges from Bonner's analysis is the widespread presence of “Pelagian” ideas: a positive anthropology without reference to original sin, the efficacy of merit in attaining salvation, and the possibility of achieving perfection. Moreover, her discussion of χάρις/gratia (grace) reveals it to refer either to God's gift to an already virtuous individual or to an unearned gift to all mankind rather than to prevenient grace. Chapter 3 focuses on Jerome but also includes limited discussion of Ambrose, Ambrosiaster, and Apponius. Bonner observes that Jerome (an outspoken critic of Pelagius) altered his views around 414/415 CE and attributes this to his fear of being accused of heresy since his previous positions were more extreme than those of Pelagius.

Bonner contends in chapter 4 that an organized Pelagian movement did not exist and that the collection of tenets attributed to “Pelagianism” were not held by any individual. She identifies and then illustrates with several examples (e.g. the rich will not enter the kingdom of heaven) an important methodological problem: “scholars have taken their cue from Pelagius' opponents in seeing a link between certain ideas, or a link between texts in which certain ideas appear, or a link between writers who expressed these ideas, and thus they have envisaged a self-acknowledged movement. This has led to circular reasoning in which a text with no secure authorial attribution is ascribed to a name that can in some way be associated with 'Pelagianism' on the basis of perceived 'Pelagian' ideas within the text” (198). Bonner's most extended engagement with scholarship, however, takes place in chapter 5, which investigates the problem of defining and classifying “Pelagianism.” Locating the review of scholarship after the analysis of the evidence is extremely effective in illustrating the existing literature's definitional imprecision and circularity.

With the historical reality of “Pelagianism” thus refuted, chapter 6 describes how it became an established category. Bonner first posits “that 'Pelagianism' was invented in order to bring into disrepute the two principles of the goodness of human nature and effective free will” and then “that this was achieved by making the name Pelagius toxic and tarring his teaching by association with self-evidently unacceptable propositions, thereby facilitating the installation of alternative theses as orthodox dogma” (260). To explain this process, Bonner employs interactionist theory. What might appear an overly abstract mode of analysis (especially in comparison to the book's emphasis on textual demonstration of its claims) is in fact highly contextualized and persuasive.

Chapter 7 examines the manuscripts of Pelagius’ texts (the subject of Bonner's doctoral dissertation and the impetus for The Myth of Pelagianism). Her discussion demonstrates that Pelagius' texts circulated widely (often under Jerome's name) and were therefore indistinguishable from other ascetic literature. Bonner's analysis of the manuscript evidence effectively buttresses her argument that “Pelagianism” was the creation of theological polemic rather than a historical reality. Following a conclusion, the book ends with an appendix containing selections of the γ-text of Ambrosiaster's Commentary on the Pauline Epistles (treating Romans 9:11-16).

The Myth of Pelagianism is an impressive and provocative book that will become required reading for historians, theologians, and classicists studying the late fourth and fifth centuries. Ali Bonner is to be commended for her initiative and command of the sources. In short, highly recommended.


Christopher M. Blunda is Assistant Professor of history at the Virginia Military Institute.
 
I see you didn't watch the short video. Your opinion in meaningless. An objective book review below.

Ali Bonner has made a significant contribution to the study of ancient Christianity. As its title suggests, The Myth of Pelagianism argues that “Pelagianism” never existed: rather it was “a composite fiction created for polemical purposes . . . a bundle of tenets, some of which were ideas in circulation at the time but had no link to Pelagius, and others of which were created by drawing unwarranted inferences from Pelagius' writings, and reading into his works doctrines that he rejected” (xiii). More than a pedantic quibble over terminology, Bonner's study calls upon scholars to reconsider a series of underlying historical and theological assumptions that continue to define the study of western Christianity. Consequently, Bonner eschews unnecessary engagement with the leviathan of scholarship built upon accepting the historical reality of “Pelagianism,” preferring instead to prioritize historical, theological, and philological analysis of the primary sources.

The book begins with a short introduction in which Bonner contextualizes her argument, lays out its constituent parts, and addresses its evidentiary basis. In language accessible to the non-specialist, she explains both the background and implications of her argument and also introduces "the triune," a convenient shorthand which she uses to describe the closely linked doctrines of original sin, an absolutist view of prevenient grace, and predestination understood as preordainment (xii). The final section (xvii-xviii) addresses the Pelagian corpus and Bonner's decisions to include or exclude particular texts from her analysis.

Chapter 1 evaluates the portrayal of Pelagius' doctrinal teachings by placing the evidence of his writings alongside the fourteen tenets attributed to him by Augustine in De gestis Pelagii. The result of this comparison is sobering: Pelagius is shown to have espoused only the first portion of tenet nine, which states that God's grace is given in accord with merit (16-18). Throughout the chapter, Bonner demonstrates not only that Pelagius believed in the goodness of human nature, free will, and a cooperative relationship between divine grace and the human will but also that Augustine's assertions of Pelagius' arrogance are unsupported by the evidence. Emphasizing the polemical context surrounding the theological debate, Bonner concludes that “the process that took place during the condemnation of 'Pelagianism' can be described as the invention of a heresy in order to relocate orthodoxy” (26).

In chapters 2 and 3, Bonner examines several prominent (and indisputably orthodox) examples of earlier ascetic paraenetic literature to demonstrate that Pelagius' theological positions had been in circulation long before he wrote. Here, as elsewhere, English translations are employed in the main text while the original languages are fully provided in the footnotes. Chapter 2 investigates Athanasius' Life of Antony in the original Greek and in the Latin translations of an anonymous author and Evagrius of Antioch. What emerges from Bonner's analysis is the widespread presence of “Pelagian” ideas: a positive anthropology without reference to original sin, the efficacy of merit in attaining salvation, and the possibility of achieving perfection. Moreover, her discussion of χάρις/gratia (grace) reveals it to refer either to God's gift to an already virtuous individual or to an unearned gift to all mankind rather than to prevenient grace. Chapter 3 focuses on Jerome but also includes limited discussion of Ambrose, Ambrosiaster, and Apponius. Bonner observes that Jerome (an outspoken critic of Pelagius) altered his views around 414/415 CE and attributes this to his fear of being accused of heresy since his previous positions were more extreme than those of Pelagius.

Bonner contends in chapter 4 that an organized Pelagian movement did not exist and that the collection of tenets attributed to “Pelagianism” were not held by any individual. She identifies and then illustrates with several examples (e.g. the rich will not enter the kingdom of heaven) an important methodological problem: “scholars have taken their cue from Pelagius' opponents in seeing a link between certain ideas, or a link between texts in which certain ideas appear, or a link between writers who expressed these ideas, and thus they have envisaged a self-acknowledged movement. This has led to circular reasoning in which a text with no secure authorial attribution is ascribed to a name that can in some way be associated with 'Pelagianism' on the basis of perceived 'Pelagian' ideas within the text” (198). Bonner's most extended engagement with scholarship, however, takes place in chapter 5, which investigates the problem of defining and classifying “Pelagianism.” Locating the review of scholarship after the analysis of the evidence is extremely effective in illustrating the existing literature's definitional imprecision and circularity.

With the historical reality of “Pelagianism” thus refuted, chapter 6 describes how it became an established category. Bonner first posits “that 'Pelagianism' was invented in order to bring into disrepute the two principles of the goodness of human nature and effective free will” and then “that this was achieved by making the name Pelagius toxic and tarring his teaching by association with self-evidently unacceptable propositions, thereby facilitating the installation of alternative theses as orthodox dogma” (260). To explain this process, Bonner employs interactionist theory. What might appear an overly abstract mode of analysis (especially in comparison to the book's emphasis on textual demonstration of its claims) is in fact highly contextualized and persuasive.

Chapter 7 examines the manuscripts of Pelagius’ texts (the subject of Bonner's doctoral dissertation and the impetus for The Myth of Pelagianism). Her discussion demonstrates that Pelagius' texts circulated widely (often under Jerome's name) and were therefore indistinguishable from other ascetic literature. Bonner's analysis of the manuscript evidence effectively buttresses her argument that “Pelagianism” was the creation of theological polemic rather than a historical reality. Following a conclusion, the book ends with an appendix containing selections of the γ-text of Ambrosiaster's Commentary on the Pauline Epistles (treating Romans 9:11-16).

The Myth of Pelagianism is an impressive and provocative book that will become required reading for historians, theologians, and classicists studying the late fourth and fifth centuries. Ali Bonner is to be commended for her initiative and command of the sources. In short, highly recommended.


Christopher M. Blunda is Assistant Professor of history at the Virginia Military Institute.
Again, if it's all made up then why was a church council called to condemn something that did not exist?
 
Again, if it's all made up then why was a church council called to condemn something that did not exist?
They believed the real heretic and liar augustine over pelagius- like many of the innocent who were killed and condemned as witches. The same evil mentality. They should name in the council of Carnage instead. :)

Pelagius was orthodox with his beliefs below until the real heretic changed the church with his false teachings below.

" In chapter 2, where Pelagius differs from Augustine (above all in denying predestination, Original Sin, and the irresistibility of prevenient grace), he is speaking not only for himself, but for an entire tradition, which is catholic enough to have the support of the Athanasian Life of Antony, together with those authors who widened its currency by redaction in Greek or translation into Latin. "

hope this helps !!!
 
They believed the real heretic and liar augustine over pelagius- like many of the innocent who were killed and condemned as witches. The same evil mentality. They should name in the council of Carnage instead. :)

Pelagius was orthodox with his beliefs below until the real heretic changed the church with his false teachings below.

" In chapter 2, where Pelagius differs from Augustine (above all in denying predestination, Original Sin, and the irresistibility of prevenient grace), he is speaking not only for himself, but for an entire tradition, which is catholic enough to have the support of the Athanasian Life of Antony, together with those authors who widened its currency by redaction in Greek or translation into Latin. "

hope this helps !!!
So a whole church council was lying?😂

Two actually
Orange and Ephesus, condemns something that never existed. You side with the heretic. That slope is getting pretty slippery.
 
So a whole church council was lying?😂

Two actually
Orange and Ephesus, condemns something that never existed. You side with the heretic. That slope is getting pretty slippery.
augustine was the heretic they believed. like calvin was the heretic who was believed in his country when condemning thos who opposed him

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Pelagius got the scriptures right as he was orthodox with free will, grace, original sin and rejecting augustine teaching with predestination, free will, irresistible grace and original sin. Those were the real false teachings that should of been condemned since no one believed them until augustine the heretic married those pagan ideas with christianity. He was truly the corruptor in the Early Church and unorthodox with his beliefs.
 
augustine was the heretic they believed. like calvin was the heretic who was believed in his country when condemning thos who opposed him

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Pelagius got the scriptures right as he was orthodox with free will, grace, original sin and rejecting augustine teaching with predestination, free will, irresistible grace and original sin. Those were the real false teachings that should of been condemned since no one believed them until augustine the heretic married those pagan ideas with christianity. He was truly the corruptor in the Early Church and unorthodox with his beliefs.

So, you admit you're a Pelagian. Interesting.
 
So, you admit you're a Pelagian. Interesting.
nope I'm not an arminian, calvinist, pelagian- I'm a Christian. :)

I'm just saying what He got right as history points out he was the actual ORTHODOX one, not augustine. The early church held the same beliefs as him and Athanasius held those same beliefs as Pelagius
 
augustine was the heretic they believed. like calvin was the heretic who was believed in his country when condemning thos who opposed him

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Pelagius got the scriptures right as he was orthodox with free will, grace, original sin and rejecting augustine teaching with predestination, free will, irresistible grace and original sin. Those were the real false teachings that should of been condemned since no one believed them until augustine the heretic married those pagan ideas with christianity. He was truly the corruptor in the Early Church and unorthodox with his beliefs.
Who said he got it right? Name some of his contemporaries. Name 1 church council that defended his heresies.
 
Who said he got it right? Name some of his contemporaries. Name 1 church council that defended his heresies.
councils are not inspired- they were depraved men not inspired writers of Scripture. I'm a biblical Christian not a Creedal one.

You can have the creeds- I will stick with SOLA SCRIPTURA :)

looks like you deny your own doctrine lol.

hope this helps !!!
 
councils are not inspired- they were depraved men not inspired writers of Scripture. I'm a biblical Christian not a Creedal one.

You can have the creeds- I will stick with SOLA SCRIPTURA :)

looks like you deny your own doctrine lol.

hope this helps !!!
No one said they were. Strawman
And you seem to have conceded there was such a thing as Pelagianism. No one denys that except those trying to justify their heretical agreement
with Pelagius.

Slide slide sippty side. What's next? Open Theism?
 
No one said they were. Strawman
And you seem to have conceded there was such a thing as Pelagianism. No one denys that except those trying to justify their heretical agreement
with Pelagius.

Slide slide sippty side. What's next? Open Theism?
fatalism like you espouse was unorthodox until the historical heretic augustine like a wolf in sheeps clothing crept into the church with his pagan greek gods and philosophy he married with the church.

Will the real heretic please stand up !
 
When some throw around accusations of one being a pelagian it all about putting fear in another if you say anything contrary to what they say we will demonize you're reputation of being a apart of some boogeyman. It's just a trick and a ploy to gain unwarranted credibility to their views.
 
nope I'm not an arminian, calvinist, pelagian- I'm a Christian. :)

I'm just saying what He got right as history points out he was the actual ORTHODOX one, not augustine. The early church held the same beliefs as him and Athanasius held those same beliefs as Pelagius

You said Pelagius got scriptures right. So you believe what Pelagius believed. Either admit it, or stop calling others Calvinists and assume we're all Christians.
 
You said Pelagius got scriptures right. So you believe what Pelagius believed. Either admit it, or stop calling others Calvinists and assume we're all Christians.
he got is right rejecting IG, original sin, predestination as taught by Augustine and his determinism. He was orthodox just like Athanasius was in his day. They believed the same things and rejected augustines teachings on the above doctrines.
 
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