The Law and Grace have always been simultaneously inacted
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That's meaningless. It's like if you were going to Mars would you pack a parachute?
Why not?
Because there's no gravity in outer space parachutes just don't work.
Why not?
Because there's no gravity in outer space parachutes just don't work.
praise_yeshua
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I like a well balanced diet which included anything and everything- I don't discriminate, I love all food groups.
I offer my Muslim friends "bacon sandwiches" and tell them they don't know what they're missing....
Some take it better than others.....
I can't say how I would act if I were someone with a different set of experiences. It might be the case that in any possible universe that God created beings with free will that they would freely choose to do their will instead of submitting to God's will. In Revelation 22:14, those who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life, and there are many other verses that show that God's commandments are His instructions for how to undo the damage caused by eating from the Tree of Knowledge and for how to choose to eat from the Tree of Life instead by repenting and choosing to submitting to God's will instead of doing our own, and this is something that I have chosen to obey.
praise_yeshua
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Yeah... the good ole "if I would have been there, it might have been different"....
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
I prefer what Jesus said to what you think you would have done.
It almost like you didn't read anything that I said.
praise_yeshua
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You're not the first and hopefully not the last to make these arguments to me. I've dealt with them for many many years. Dispensationalism in Christianity has done much to keep the truth from you. It is one of the reasons I fight against Dispensationalism.
You don't need to listen to me. Do what you want. Keep insisting your repentance makes everything just vanish.....
You're kind of missing the fact that I didn't make that argument and specifically said the opposite, you're missing that Jesus was not speaking to everyone, and you're also missing that I fight against Dispensationalism.
praise_yeshua
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I didn't say you didn't. I said YOU have been shielded by Dispensationalism. Dispensationalist refuse to adequately deal with your position given your background.
I never said what I'd do if I were in the Garden, yet you criticized me as if I had, so you just make up straw men to burn. I've never believed in or been shielded by Dispensationalism, and in fact I strongly oppose it, so that is another straw man.
Truther
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If you wouldn't eat of the tree of life in the garden then you would likely turn it down here also...
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.....
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
I didn't say that I wouldn't eat of the Tree of Life in the Garden, just that I couldn't say how I would act if I were a different person with a different set of experiences. God would not have truly given someone free will if they would never use to do their own will, so it is easily possible that anyone else who was in the Garden also would have eventually eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and there is nothing about this that suggest that they would also turn down the Tree of Life later. Perhaps part of what it means to choose to eat from the Tree of Life is having had the experience of eating from the Tree of Knowledge and repenting from it.
Truther
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What would you eat from first, the tree of life or the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
Or, would you mix them up in a fruit salad?
Again, I can't say. I can only speak of the way that I have chosen.
They are mutually exclusive, so we can't eat from both at the same time.
Truther
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Which proves that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life to attain continued life.
This tree was later guarded by an angel from folks that wanted to cheat death.
Obviously, the effects wear off without the tree(cause and effect).
Same with partaking of the tree in heaven per Rev 2 and 22 causing the HEALING OF THE NATIONS.
I don't see how that follows.
The same Hebrew word for the cherubim being told to "guard" the way to the Tree of Life in Genesis 3:24 is also used for what Adam was told to do to the Garden in Genesis 2:15, and he was never told to stop guarding the Tree of Life. A guard can either block entry or provide escort. Cherubim were also placed over the Ark of the Covenant to guard the commandments of the Torah, and the Torah repeatedly uses the same Hebrew word to instruct the Israelites to guard its commandments, which also is why Jesus said that the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments (Matthew 19:17, Luke 10:25-28), and why those who obeyed God's commandments are given the right to eat from the Tree of Life (Revelation 22:14).
Likewise, Genesis 3:24 also uses a Hebrew word for guarding "the way" to the Tree of Life, and the Bible frequently connects these concepts also in connection with the way to or from Jerusalem, which is where the Tree of Life is, such as in Exodus 23:20, God will send an angel to guard you on the way and bring you to the place that He has prepared or with Jesus saying narrow is the way that leads to life (Matthew 7:14), or that he is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus was asked about the way to inherit eternal life and responded with a parable about a man who was on the way from Jerusalem, so that is not an incidental detail. Likewise, Paul was on the way from Jerusalem to persecute members of "The Way", where he was stopped by Jesus, who is the way, so calling it a Damascus road experience is missing the point. Furthermore, the Torah is repeatedly referred as being God's way, such as in Deuteronomy 10:12-13, Isaiah 2:2-3, 1 Kings 2:1-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalms 103:7, Psalms 119:1-3, and many others.
Essentially, the Bible stars with the Tree of Life, it ends with the Tree of Life, and everything in between is about teaching us the way back to the Tree of Life. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him and Israel too and knowing God and Jesus is eternal life (John 17:3).
