The Jewishness of the Second Testament

[EclipseEventSigns]

God's Promises are eternal, everlasting.
Salvation is of the Jews.
If you want to make attempt to steal their covenants, their prophecies, their promises and THEIR Messiah go ahead.
I will not succeed.

Take it up with Paul. He said it. Not me.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

In addition, your original post:

There were also Jewish believers dealing with issues of a growing Church and how the Holy Spirit was moving. For instance, such as when Gentile believers started wanting to join the Church and the question of whether or not they had to become Jews and circumcised. Even when Paul preached to his Jewish brethren and said, “I am going to go to the Gentiles” everywhere he traveled he went to the synagogue first and he preached to the Jews out of their Law that this Jesus was their Messiah and Redeemer and King.

You didn't go far enough into what actually happened. Judaizers. You have come across them and the major problems they caused? Your writing smacks of this heresy that Paul, Peter and the Jerusalem Council had to deal with. And very forcefully.

[Act 15:1-2, 4, 6-19 LSB] 1 Some men came down from Judea and [began] teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved." 2 And when Paul and Barnabas had not a little dissension and debate with them, [the brothers] determined that Paul and Barnabas and some others of them should go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders concerning this issue. ... 4 When they arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. ... 6 Both the apostles and the elders came together to look into this matter. 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, "Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; 9 and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are." 12 And all the multitude kept silent, and they were listening to Barnabas and Paul as they were relating what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13 Now after they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brothers, listen to me. 14 "Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. 15 "And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE FALLEN BOOTH OF DAVID, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, 17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,' 18 SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO. 19 "Therefore I judge that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles,

 

[jeremiah1five]

Peter, James, and John were Jewish Christian Judaizers in the beginning. Why do you think they placed those things of burden on the Christians. The issue was circumcision and they come up with a response that did what? ADDED laws upon the Gentile Christians. ERROR.
But Acts is a historical. All Luke did was record what happen. It's up to us now to discern what they did right and what they did wrong. As a baby New Covenant Church, they didn't have all the answers until a Paul who knew the OT, and maybe Apollos who also knew the OT put things in perspective. That took years. at least 20 years. Until Paul's visits and letter to Jewish Christians whose Judaism was affected by their Messiah they had to muddle through because they didn't have instant knowledge. They had to look at the OT and the covenants and the prophecies and the promises just like we do today to learn God's will. AND, it seems the only person who had the Scriptures was Paul (2 Tim. 4:13) because fishermen like Peter didn't.

 

[101G]

The Second Testament is a book about Jewish history.

ERROR, it, (the second testament), as well as the First testament is about God dealing with man in salvation. let 101G say this. the Old Testament is the New Testament "HIDDEN" in understanding GOD, and the New Testament is the Old Testament "REVEALED" in understanding God.

When you read through Revelation it is referring to history future not just history of the world but directly how it will affect the Jewish people. Most people just don’t realize how Jewish Revelation is. It talks about the Temple and the various practices going on there.

another, the book of REVELATION is a REVEALING of "GOD" in Glorification as a MAN, which entails his past ... (as a Man), his present state, (as a Man), and his future state, (as a Man). John was commanded to write the things he had seen, (Past), and the things, NOW, (present), and the things to come, (future). scripture, Revelation 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

and believe it or not after the prologue, Revelation begins at chapter 12, and reading backward to chapter 5, (the PAST THINGS John already saw). meaning starting with the birth of the CHRIST, Shiloh at Revelation Chapter 12, and the two witnesses in chapter 11. and the spreading of the Gospel chapter 10........ ect. unto one gets back to chapter 5.

then from chapter 13 onward, (present... and Future things).

101G

 

[jeremiah1five]

ERROR, it, (the second testament), as well as the First testament is about God dealing with man in salvation. let 101G say this. the Old Testament is the New Testament "HIDDEN" in understanding GOD, and the New Testament is the Old Testament "REVEALED" in understanding God.

What do you think the purpose of the covenants God made with the House of Israel are all about? Tupperware parties?

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/when-is-a-jew-not-a-jew.890/

another, the book of REVELATION is a REVEALING of "GOD" in Glorification as a MAN, which entails his past ... (as a Man), his present state, (as a Man), and his future state, (as a Man). John was commanded to write the things he had seen, (Past), and the things, NOW, (present), and the things to come, (future). scripture, Revelation 1:19 "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;"

and believe it or not after the prologue, Revelation begins at chapter 12, and reading backward to chapter 5, (the PAST THINGS John already saw). meaning starting with the birth of the CHRIST, Shiloh at Revelation Chapter 12, and the two witnesses in chapter 11. and the spreading of the Gospel chapter 10........ ect. unto one gets back to chapter 5.

then from chapter 13 onward, (present... and Future things).

101G

Revelations is written by a Jewish Christian to other Jewish Christians.
Gentiles have stolen it and pushed for hundreds of years that after 4000 years of God's covenants, and prophecies, and promises to Israel that as soon as the New Covenant God made with the Hose of Israel that His first words in this New Covenant era is to Gentiles?
LOL.
Nope. Israel is the Church and Bride and apple and Chosen people of God and His Christ.
God made no covenant with Gentiles.

 

[101G]

What do you think the purpose of the covenants God made with the House of Israel are all about? Tupperware parties?

yes, to get us ready for the REAL PARTY......... Part........tee, let hear, it part... tee.. (smile).....

Revelations is written by a Jewish Christian to other Jewish Christians.

again, there is no such animal "Jewish Christian"....... just Christian. for the Lord Jesus in the letter to the seven churches warn against Religious syncretism
101G

 

[jeremiah1five]

yes, to get us ready for the REAL PARTY......... Part........tee, let hear, it part... tee.. (smile).....

again, there is no such animal "Jewish Christian"....... just Christian. for the Lord Jesus in the letter to the seven churches warn against Religious syncretism
101G

Par Tee! Par Tee! Par Tee.

 

[101G]

Par Tee! Par Tee! Par Tee.

(smile)

101G.

 

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... ... ... When you realize salvation is of the Jews and that it is their covenant that has touched your life if it has touched it at all and that considering the reality that God made no covenant with Gentiles hopefully knowledge of the truth will come to you.

You mix up Paul's letter, and it was a personal letter, to Timothy a Gentile, and Paul's letters to Jewish Christians that made up the Christian churches in Asia Minor and other Gentile lands. Paul's Ephesian letter is written to Jewish Christians so read it without the Gentile mindset and try to comprehend it with a Jewish mindset. If you sincerely do this you will come away with a lot more than before.
Salvation is of the Jews - and so are their Scriptures.
You're not going to convince me otherwise. I know the truth and it has set me free.

'Ye worship ye know not what:
we know what we worship:
for salvation is of the Jews.'
(Joh 4:22)

'Be it known therefore unto you,
that the salvation of God
is sent unto the Gentiles,
and that they will hear it.'
(Act 28:28)

 

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'Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb
I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.'
(Jeremiah1:5)

Hello Jeremiah1five,

I believe that the Old Testament Scriptures do not end with Malachi: but continue right through to the end of the book of Acts encompassing, all that was written within it's bounds: such as the gospels, the book of Acts, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Romans, Galatians & Hebrews: James, John 1,2 & 3, Peter 1 & 2, Jude and Revelation. In these books the Jew has prior place, and believing Gentiles are brought in to the Olive tree of Israel in Acts 10 in the hope of making Israel jealous, and creating growth in an ailing tree.

Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon are the exception,: for they were written following the revelation of God, revealed to Paul; in which He makes known the truth concerning the church which is the Body of Christ, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all; during His imprisonment in Rome; Built on the foundation of Romans 5:12-8:39. this Truth which had been hidden in God since before the foundation of the world, and made known following the departure into blindness and unbelief of the nation of Israel, with it's ultimate destruction.

In this company there is a complete unity, and equality among Jew and Gentile believers, quite independent of the nation of Israel: with Christ as their Head. Christ among them is their hope of glory, Their blessings are all spiritual, and do not consist of, 'basket and store'. Their hope is in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, and not upon the earth.

When this company has been completed, and raised, Then Israel will come to repentance: their prophetic clock will start to tick again, and all that is prophesied concerning them will be accomplished: To the glory of His Name.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[jeremiah1five]

'Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb
I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.'
(Jeremiah1:5)

Spirit and power. There is only one "Jeremiah." That's why I use a lower case "j."
So, yes, I know my calling and place in the body of Christ as well as my spiritual gifts to accomplish my calling for the Lord.

Hello Jeremiah1five,

Howdy.

I believe that the Old Testament Scriptures do not end with Malachi: but continue right through to the end of the book of Acts encompassing, all that was written within it's bounds: such as the gospels, the book of Acts, 1 & 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Romans, Galatians & Hebrews: James, John 1,2 & 3, Peter 1 & 2, Jude and Revelation. In these books the Jew has prior place, and believing Gentiles are brought in to the Olive tree of Israel in Acts 10 in the hope of making Israel jealous, and creating growth in an ailing tree.

I would agree with the history ending at Acts 28. But Acts covers mostly Peter and Saul. There are other writings that cover the history of this people that are not part of the Bible. But the "ism" of Judaism remained until the destruction of their Temple.
I prefer to see the identity of "Gentiles" as Gentile proselytes, not uncircumcised Gentiles and their dumb idols. It's important to discern between natural olive tree Israel and the spiritual body of Christ. There is distinction and difference, and the body of Christ is not grafted into Israel. Not in this universe.

Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon are the exception,: for they were written following the revelation of God, revealed to Paul; in which He makes known the truth concerning the church which is the Body of Christ, the fulness of Him that filleth all in all; during His imprisonment in Rome; Built on the foundation of Romans 5:12-8:39. this Truth which had been hidden in God since before the foundation of the world, and made known following the departure into blindness and unbelief of the nation of Israel, with it's ultimate destruction.

In this company there is a complete unity, and equality among Jew and Gentile believers, quite independent of the nation of Israel: with Christ as their Head. Christ among them is their hope of glory, Their blessings are all spiritual, and do not consist of, 'basket and store'. Their hope is in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, and not upon the earth.

When this company has been completed, and raised, Then Israel will come to repentance: their prophetic clock will start to tick again, and all that is prophesied concerning them will be accomplished: To the glory of His Name.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thanks, Chris-tian.

 

[DavidTree]

You do know that Paul was writing to Jewish Christians in his circular letter to Asia Minor, right?
There was issue in the mind of the Jewish Christians he was writing to about the effect Messiah had on Judaism and since it was the 3000 Jews who were saved at Jerusalem during their Feast of Harvests celebration these Jewish Christians returned back home in the Gentile lands they visited from and took Jesus with them, and a small outline of the things Peter was saying to them in Acts 2.
You have the benefit of 2000 years of theology developed during this history, while the first century Jewish Christians didn't have that and in the beginning had to muddle through until more able men and women thought through the OT Scriptures to see the New Covenant reality. So, take that into consideration when you read these Jewish letters to Jewish Christians and Jewish churches and try to discern what was going on in their Judaic religion and Messiah's effect He had on it.

That's pretty presumptuous of you to say no Hebrew knows his or her roots/descendants.
When you realize salvation is of the Jews and that it is their covenant that has touched your life if it has touched it at all and that considering the reality that God made no covenant with Gentiles hopefully knowledge of the truth will come to you.
Until then, you can't read and study the New Testament Covenant Scripture writings of the Jewish Christians who wrote about Jewish issues to other Jewish Christians with a Gentile mindset.
At the Marriage Supper of the Lamb Israel is there by covenant.
Gentiles are there by invitation.
Matt. 22.

Paul letters applies to BOTH the Jew and the Gentile = as does the Gospel

 

[jeremiah1five]

Paul letters applies to BOTH the Jew and the Gentile = as does the Gospel

4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom
as concerning the flesh Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom. 9:4–5.

The New Covenant was between God and the Houses of Israel and Judah (Jer. 31:31-34.)
The New Covenant Scriptures were written by Jewish Christians (Saul, Peter, James, John, Matthew, etc.), to and for other Jewish Christians of whom the early Church Christ built was a continuation of the Great Congregation of Israelites in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle, and who populated the early home Jewish Christian churches in Gentile lands. While the Temple stood everything about the New Covenant was Jewish. The New Covenant Scriptures all contain a deep level of information about the Jews and Judaism that no hard-core, uncircumcised idol-worshipping Gentile would know. And while the Temple stood the "ism" of Judaism remained and everything in the first four decades happening in Jerusalem, in Israel, and in Gentile lands with regard to this man named Jesus and this "Holy Spirit" was interpreted through a Jewish mindset and Hebraic tradition, history, and culture.
It was, after all, a Jewish Covenant and Jesus was/is a Jewish Messiah sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the House of Isael.