TibiasDad
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We could have been made of prune leaves or anything else and the excellency would still be of him!
Doug
The fallacy of eternity being a timeless state.
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How does God "feel" without a body. How does God express emotion without the body? Or perhaps you think God has a body
praise_yeshua
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While I agree, to me, the issue is one of culpability. God doesn't easily abandon anything He creates. After all, He is good at what He does.
I see "God showing off" to Satan by using pre-existing material in the construction of mankind. The "clay" on the potter's wheel. The "clay" material is important to God. It represents as choice God made. All those choices are meaningful.
praise_yeshua
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How does God "feel" without a body. How does God express emotion without the body? Or perhaps you think God has a body
So you don't believe the Incarnation was God?
That is your biggest mistake. It is necessary for Christ to "feel our infirmities". You should consider such.
I could have guessed that you deny the Incarnation....Seth. If you are Seth, then we've fought with one another for years. We'll do it again.
As always, you only deal with what you want to deal with in any conversation.
I asked how YOU feel without a body. You're not God. If you want to talk about how God feels, then start another thread. God is tangible. He isn't devoid of substance. There are many different bodies that are not all the same.
Surely you know this....(<<< sarcasm.)
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
TibiasDad
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Showing off is not in the nature of God to do. Showing off is a self-centered action, and God is not self-centered, indeed cannot be, for he is Love personified.
Doug
praise_yeshua
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Interesting. The very context of the Holy Trinity is self centered. In Christian theology it is referenced as Aseity
Maybe you need to define your view of being "self centered". You can't please God and not agree with Him. He will love you still but you must come to Him.
There are limits to comparing God to how humans must view themselves.
Have you ever "shown off" to your wife?
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FreeInChrist
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The spirit of man is born again, renewed, revived from death. The body’s actions will follow the direction of the spirit.
I pray that more would understand this... but alas, I fear they will not.
FreeInChrist
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Playing a little devils advocate here... "God is not self-centered, indeed cannot be, for he is Love personified."... is a very true statement truly stated however it is not, I submit , tru to those who are double predestined minded, nor possibly not those who are generally predestined believers.
TibiasDad
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Aseity is God’s independent existence and self-sustaining ability that divorces himself from needing anything outside of himself. It is not self-centered or self-boasting.
I don’t disagree with him.
Okay, not sure what you’re trying to say here, but of course this is a true statement in and of itself.
No. Nor have I done anything to show her off. She does herself that by just showing up!
Doug
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The context of the Trinity is necessary because God is love, for otherwise there would be no one for his love to move toward. It cannot be self-centered because “love seeks not its own” fulfillment but that of another.
Doug
TibiasDad
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2Cor 4:16Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.
diaphtheírō is the word translated as“wasting away” and its root meaning is “to defile or corrupt thoroughly” It is speaking of our body wasting away, thus they are corrupted, or they wouldn’t waste away or decay. The evidence of this is throughout scripture, especially in the declining ages of men.
Doug
Yes, but that is not because of sin, that is how we were created. All things biological die.
praise_yeshua
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Self..... centered... is fabricated as boasting. Human's do boast when they have nothing to boast of. God has everything to boast of.
Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
You certainly do. You're just not humble enough to recognize you have much more to learn about God. You're self centered in this. When God demands others be like Him, it is self promotion. "Person" promotion.
Don't get what I'm saying wrong. God doesn't need you to recognize HIS superiority. That is the doctrine of Aseity. Human's think everyone needs them.
That is where the difference lives.
I don't believe it. At one time must have. Remember back when you were much younger. You sought to win the heart of your wife. The heart of an independent mind. Even showing forth humility is "showing off" good qualties of who you are as a Person.
praise_yeshua
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Did God divorce Israel?
The independence of the mind caused this problem.
I'm all for preaching the "love of God". I do it all the time. I make people seemingly angry with me all the time because I do.
However, It amazes me when a human being talks about "loving themselves" while pretending that God doesn't love Himself.
Love is pure. There is no context of pure, refined, and perfect love without purity. God doesn't have to have His way in this life. In fact, God doesn't often get what He wants from those He loves. He just keeps loving them. So. Love is pure. Love seeks not its own.
But surprise......
That is true of us all ourselves. When you have TWO independent minds that both are not seeking their own and in the purity of love....
It is the perfect relationship. So when I say this life is all about relationships. I always have this "in mind".
No greater example of this exists in this world than "marriage".
To most people, marriage is nothing more than a "matter of convenience". It has very little meaning to it.
praise_yeshua
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Most of the time when people say what you just said.......
They do so to feed their belief that God always comes to their side of the relationship. He actually isn't doing that at all.
I tell you what human beings believe.......
"If you love ME, you'll accept me just as I am. You will not try to change "ME".
Nothing could be further from the truth in this relationship.
TibiasDad
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Then why don’t we live hundreds of years anymore. Would Adam have died if he hadn’t sinned?
I understand that it is possible that he would have eventually died, but wouldn’t we have all been more akin to Methuselah in our time on earth if Adam’s sin was of no effect on our length of life? It’s not the fact of death to which I necessarily object, it is the effect of sin on the hastening of the body’s decay.
The effect of Adam’s sin was twofold: it separated us from God, and it introduced the toxicity of sin into the world's experience.
Doug
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Most people are interested in avoiding hell, but don’t want to confess Jesus as Lord. I am of the opinion that this may not turn out as well as they hoped in most cases.
I agree: that’s because they don’t want a Lord over their lives. That’s not me!
The Lord wants to transform us into his image, and that is, by definition, change.
Doug
praise_yeshua
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Confessing has become a ritual with very little substance. Confession is more than empty compliance
There is a "Lord" phase of a relationship with God but it must move beyond this phase. I'm not saying that God stops being Lord of our lives. I am saying that the goal is to agree with God. To walk together inseparably the same.
That is more than just following commandments or being in compliance. If they live long enough in this life, there is no child of God that doesn't mature into understanding this. It is what I am..... not the demands of another (God). Unity.
We learn what that "image" is through the experience of seeking God. In the context of an independent mind, many people have learned enough "to live" with what they've learned. Whether they're actually living it or not. They stop learning of God.
That is why the context of "faith alone" is important. It is the difference in perspective necessary to keep from simply living based upon a list of commandments to please God and REALLY learning about God through relationship.
God can define His relationship Himself through the Divine Spirit given to us. Commandments don't foster that maturity and purity themselves.
So when someone wants to try to create a "list" to pleasing God. It is only "cliff notes" to me. The experiences and understanding of another with little to no understanding.
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