civic
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No it doesn’t since Monogenes means unique , one of a kind , preeminent
The Eternal Son
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Diserner
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The identities are described in terms of attributes and relations.
God has many names in Scripture, and I think they are always meant to be descriptive.
The main name given to the three Person of God are Father, Son, and Spirit.
All share equally in the name Yahweh, which means "He is," declaring God's aseity in the name "I Am."
All share equally in all divine attributes. All take part in creating, sustaining, and judging creation.
Father because of authority and origin. He is the Source and Creator.
Spirit because of mystery and power. He is the Executor and Revealer.
Son because of submission and derivation. He is the Savior and Redeemer.
The Father relates to us especially in the realms of affirmation and purpose.
The Son relates to us especially in the realms of friendship and loyalty.
The Spirit relates to us especially in the realms of beauty and passion.
The Father plans creation and salvation.
The Son accomplishes creation and salvation.
The Spirit applies creation and salvation.
The Father is described most frequently as God the Father, emphasizing his central role.
He is in a position of voluntary authority over the Spirit and Son.
The Son is described as the Word and the Light, expressing God's desires outwardly.
He is named Jesus, which means "Yahweh saves," and Christ, which means "anointed" (empowered and appointed).
The Spirit is described as Holy, emphasizing the importance of God's sacredness.
Which means he is entirely special and completely pure.
And this is why Scripture says IN the Spirit THROUGH the Son and TO the Father.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,
and the love of God,
and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Amen.
(2 Cor. 13:14 NKJ)
civic
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But Father, Son, Holy Spirit are eternal identities of the Godhead.
Diserner
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Runningman
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None of these verses say or imply Jesus is eternal.
Runningman
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It also means begotten. Also, everyone is unique in their own way. Also, other humans are called gods, too, in the Bible. So there is nothing exceptional that would identify Jesus as eternal in any version of John 1:18.
DavidTree
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Why would you deny the obvious Truth = Mighty God, Everlasting Father
Mighty
גִּבּ֔וֹר (gib·bō·wr)
Adjective - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 1368: adj 1) strong, mighty n m 2) strong man, brave man, mighty man
God,
אֵ֣ל (’êl)
Noun - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 410: 1) god, god-like one, mighty one 1a) mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes 1b) angels 1c) god, false god, (demons, imaginations) 1d) God, the one true God, Jehovah 2) mighty things in nature 3) strength, power
Everlasting Father,
אֲבִיעַ֖ד (’ă·ḇî·‘aḏ)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 5703: 1) perpetuity, for ever, continuing future 1a) ancient (of past time) 1b) for ever (of future time) 1b1) of continuous existence 1c) for ever (of God's existence)
DavidTree
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Stop being self-deceived
#1 - No one is born without sin except ONE = JESUS the CHRIST
#2 - Not all humans are called "gods'
Psalm 82 is speaking of those who have been called out of the world of sin and eternal death.
v1- God stands in the congregation of the mighty;
He judges among the gods.
v6- I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are children of the Most High.
#3 - Unless you are Born Again by the Spirit, thru faith in the Exceptional Unique and Only LORD Jesus Christ you will die in your sins
DavidTree
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And by these TRUTHS the Scripture Declares, without The THREE, no one could be Saved.
Runningman
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For one, Isaiah 9:6 isn't ever said to be about Jesus in the first place. For two, gib·bō·wr ’êl isn't translated as mighty God elsewhere in the Bible, such as Ezekiel 32:21 and Jesus isn't the Father in Trinitarianism. Thirdly, Jesus was never called any of those titles anyway. So still no view of Jesus being called eternal anywhere in Scripture.
There are also different translations of this verse such as what is in the LXX and CJB, neither of which contradict Scripture like the one youy provided does.
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civic
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So God created God ?
civic
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Ditto not in the way humans beget humans
Runningman
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Others are begotten, gods, and unique in the Bible.
Others are begotten: Matthew 1:1-16
Others are unique (monogenes): Isaac in Hebrews 11:17, Jairus' daughter in Luke 8:42, a widow's son at Nain in Luke 7:12
Others are called god: Psalm 82:6
John 1:18 is a non-argument about Jesus being eternal.
Attention everyone on this board: Show me one verse where the Son is called eternal in the Bible.
DavidTree
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YES the Scripture declares it is JESUS = Luke chapter 1 and John 12:41
You lack understanding
John 10:30 - "I and My Father are One"
John 14:6-7 - Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Revelation reveals JESUS as the Eternal Alpha and Omega who Stands in the Center of the Throne of God and is worshipped by all of Heaven.
DavidTree
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i hope you see that our Heavenly Father brought us back Full Circle to His Son = The LORD
The Person who is Salvation and Who is the Alpha and the Omega, KING of kings and LORD of Lords
Runningman
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mmmhmm... no verse about Jesus called eternal though. Well, looks like Jesus isn't eternal.
DavidTree
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Grow UP in Love = you can only Grow in loving Christ = you remain confused in denying Him
1Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Do you SEE the words: "eternal life" that are directly EQUATED with knowing God and Jesus Christ
Runningman
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Eternal life is a thing that is given to people and it doesn't identify them as eternal life, but rather eternal life is knowing them. Any more tries? You're going to see today that despite all the arguments, Jesus is never called eternal in the Bible.
Diserner
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Notice you keep replacing beget with create.
You are forcing God into the limitations of your human mind.
And you are straw manning the position as well.
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