Diserner
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No, friend, it is sinful and wrong to make these extreme nuances of theology into a salvation issue.
It is irresponsible and divisive.
The Eternal Son
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No, friend, it is sinful and wrong to make these extreme nuances of theology into a salvation issue.
It is irresponsible and divisive.
civic
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No problem but as an fyi I agree with your other post
civic
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It is essential you are correct. No 1st coming no gospel no salvation, no 2nd no salvation , no resurrection, no gathering together to be with the Lord forever. And many other things tie into these two comings.
DavidTree
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Maybe our messages have zig-zagged so that we are not speaking on the same thing.
AGREE = Eternal Son = not a Salvation issue
eternal begotten Son = jw false doctrine = salvation issue when they REFUSE to obey the FATHER = Phil 2:5-11
1st Coming = Salvation issue
2nd Coming = can be tricky here = "some falsely claim this already occurred including the Resurrection = FALSEHOOD
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Diserner
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What connection do you think the word "father" and the word "son" have?
Do you believe in fatherless sons and sonless fathers?
Do these words have no connection to each other?
You have so divorced son from father and father from son that these words no longer have a relation or connection.
A whole thread dedicated to fighting for an Eternal Son while gutting the whole meaning of "Son" and making it meaningless.
The Son is not the origin of the Spirit, because the Spirit was co-originator of the Son.
Just like the type and shadow of the family unit, made in the image of God.
DavidTree
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Brother, i cherish our fellowship in CHRIST and your love far above many of these chit-chatsNo problem but as an fyi I agree with your other post
THANK YOU Brother civic
Diserner
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That wasn't the point he was making.
You don't even bother to read the posts.
I'm done with you, you are too irresponsible, caustic and lazy in these posts.
civic
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You are thinking as a normal human with understanding which cannot understand the things of the Spirit. The Eternal Godhead cannot be compared to human origins.
DavidTree
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i apologize for any misunderstanding
civic
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Ad hominem duly noted.
civic
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It was directed at me you have nothing to apologize for
Diserner
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Thank you friend, I appreciate that.
I feel I am not making any progress here anymore so I will leave you to it.
DavidTree
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Well, i ENJOYED fellowship with you and we both grew today in Christ
You are a Blessing to me and i again apologize for even in times past if/when i was brash or unkind or disrespectful
civic
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Iron sharpens iron we don’t always agree and that’s ok. But I think it’s good to know the other side and why they believe what they believe. As a former Calvinist who use to debate non Calvinists for several decades I know what they believe so I can argue against their beliefs. The same with Unitarians I know all of their arguments and most all of the time can anticipate their next question or objection.
DavidTree
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You and i do not agree on everything yet we both are seeking more of Christ more understanding each day.
And we do it together at times and sometimes we just end up disagreeing = such is life
Today is almost over
Tomorrow is in God's Hand
JESUS our Intercessor and the Way
We love the Brethren whom HE has chosen
i cannot decide Whom God calls to His Side
Yet Pray we do for those out of the Way
Yes, tomorrow someone will say
JESUS saved me and the angels sing Praise
@Dizerner
Looking back, I could have tagged it wrong, and if I did, I am very sorry, I was not speaking concerning you, since I truly have had very little back and forth disussions with you. Again, sorry if I did.
I was not spekaing about you, but @praise_yeshua.
Looking back, I could have tagged it wrong, and if I did, I am very sorry, I was not speaking concerning you, since I truly have had very little back and forth disussions with you. Again, sorry if I did.
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@civic
Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man ~ He possesses "both complete" natures.
This point is very important to properly understand God’s record of His Son Jesus Christ. The attributes of one nature are often ascribed to a name derived from the other nature. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, so His Person involves divine and human characteristics.
Jesus Christ fully experienced all the aspects of human growth, weakness, and temptation, and even igorance!
Jesus Christ, referred to as God, a Spirit, purchased the church with His BLOOD (Acts 20:28). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, DIED (Galatians 2:20). But only His humanity died (Ist Timothy 1:17; 6:16). God cannot die. Jesus, the Son of man, was OMNIPRESENT (John 3:13). Only His Deity could be so (Jeremiah 23:24). Jesus, the Son of man, WAS WITH GOD (John 6:62). Only His divinity could be so (John 1:1), not his humanity as the Son of God. Jesus, the Son, is SUBJECT TO GOD (I Cor 1:28). Only His humanity will be subject to God. Jesus, the Son, had a MOTHER NAMED MARY (Matthew 1:21). Mary is not the mother of God! Jesus claimed to be BEFORE ABRAHAM (John 8:58). Only His Deity was eternal (Micah 5:2). As I said above, Jesus grew in WISDOM AND STATURE (Lu 2:52). Only His humanity was ignorant (Colossians 2:3). Jesus slept (Mark 4:38), but only in His humanity; for His Deity could not sleep (Psalm 121:4). Again, Jesus thirsted, ate, and did all the things a human nature does, but which Deity cannot do.
civic, this is incorrect~only in Christ's deity as the God of Genesis 1:1, do they share the same eternal attributes of teh Godhead, but Jesus as a man learned many things!
Hebrews 5:8
“Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man ~ He possesses "both complete" natures.
This point is very important to properly understand God’s record of His Son Jesus Christ. The attributes of one nature are often ascribed to a name derived from the other nature. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, so His Person involves divine and human characteristics.
Jesus Christ fully experienced all the aspects of human growth, weakness, and temptation, and even igorance!
Luke 2:52
“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.”Jesus Christ, referred to as God, a Spirit, purchased the church with His BLOOD (Acts 20:28). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, DIED (Galatians 2:20). But only His humanity died (Ist Timothy 1:17; 6:16). God cannot die. Jesus, the Son of man, was OMNIPRESENT (John 3:13). Only His Deity could be so (Jeremiah 23:24). Jesus, the Son of man, WAS WITH GOD (John 6:62). Only His divinity could be so (John 1:1), not his humanity as the Son of God. Jesus, the Son, is SUBJECT TO GOD (I Cor 1:28). Only His humanity will be subject to God. Jesus, the Son, had a MOTHER NAMED MARY (Matthew 1:21). Mary is not the mother of God! Jesus claimed to be BEFORE ABRAHAM (John 8:58). Only His Deity was eternal (Micah 5:2). As I said above, Jesus grew in WISDOM AND STATURE (Lu 2:52). Only His humanity was ignorant (Colossians 2:3). Jesus slept (Mark 4:38), but only in His humanity; for His Deity could not sleep (Psalm 121:4). Again, Jesus thirsted, ate, and did all the things a human nature does, but which Deity cannot do.
@Dizerner
I found it.......I meant to say "YOU"~not him! That's a common error as one gets older, by not writing exactlly what you are thinking. At some point in out life it will come time to lay the sword down for younger warriors to fight the battles, and my time is quickly coming to that point.
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