The Eternal Son

Second Coming is preceded by First Coming = His incarnation

This is ESSENTIAL Doctrine

No, friend, it is sinful and wrong to make these extreme nuances of theology into a salvation issue.

It is irresponsible and divisive.
 
No, friend, it is sinful and wrong to make these extreme nuances of theology into a salvation issue.

It is irresponsible and divisive.
Maybe our messages have zig-zagged so that we are not speaking on the same thing.

AGREE = Eternal Son = not a Salvation issue

eternal begotten Son = jw false doctrine = salvation issue when they REFUSE to obey the FATHER = Phil 2:5-11

1st Coming = Salvation issue
2nd Coming = can be tricky here = "some falsely claim this already occurred including the Resurrection = FALSEHOOD
 
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Nope next thing you will say is the Son is the origin of the H.S. <--- Next fallacy

What connection do you think the word "father" and the word "son" have?

Do you believe in fatherless sons and sonless fathers?

Do these words have no connection to each other?

You have so divorced son from father and father from son that these words no longer have a relation or connection.

A whole thread dedicated to fighting for an Eternal Son while gutting the whole meaning of "Son" and making it meaningless.


The Son is not the origin of the Spirit, because the Spirit was co-originator of the Son.

Just like the type and shadow of the family unit, made in the image of God.
 
It is essential you are correct. No 1st coming no gospel no salvation, no 2nd no salvation , no resurrection, no gathering together to be with the Lord forever. And many other things tie into these two comings.

That wasn't the point he was making.

You don't even bother to read the posts.

I'm done with you, you are too irresponsible, caustic and lazy in these posts.
 
What connection do you think the word "father" and the word "son" have?

Do you believe in fatherless sons and sonless fathers?

Do these words have no connection to each other?

You have so divorced son from father and father from son that these words no longer have a relation or connection.

A whole thread dedicated to fighting for an Eternal Son while gutting the whole meaning of "Son" and making it meaningless.


The Son is not the origin of the Spirit, because the Spirit was co-originator of the Son.

Just like the type and shadow of the family unit, made in the image of God.
You are thinking as a normal human with understanding which cannot understand the things of the Spirit. The Eternal Godhead cannot be compared to human origins.
 
Well, i ENJOYED fellowship with you and we both grew today in Christ

You are a Blessing to me and i again apologize for even in times past if/when i was brash or unkind or disrespectful
Iron sharpens iron we don’t always agree and that’s ok. But I think it’s good to know the other side and why they believe what they believe. As a former Calvinist who use to debate non Calvinists for several decades I know what they believe so I can argue against their beliefs. The same with Unitarians I know all of their arguments and most all of the time can anticipate their next question or objection.
 
Iron sharpens iron we don’t always agree and that’s ok. But I think it’s good to know the other side and why they believe what they believe. As a former Calvinist who use to debate non Calvinists for years I know what they believe so I can argue against their beliefs. The same with Unitarians I know all of their arguments and most all of the time can anticipate their next question or objection.
You and i do not agree on everything yet we both are seeking more of Christ more understanding each day.
And we do it together at times and sometimes we just end up disagreeing = such is life

Today is almost over
Tomorrow is in God's Hand
JESUS our Intercessor and the Way
We love the Brethren whom HE has chosen
i cannot decide Whom God calls to His Side
Yet Pray we do for those out of the Way
Yes, tomorrow someone will say
JESUS saved me and the angels sing Praise
 
You and i do not agree on everything yet we both are seeking more of Christ more understanding each day.
And we do it together at times and sometimes we just end up disagreeing = such is life

Today is almost over
Tomorrow is in God's Hand
JESUS our Intercessor and the Way
We love the Brethren whom HE has chosen
i cannot decide Whom God calls to His Side
Yet Pray we do for those out of the Way
Yes, tomorrow someone will say
JESUS saved me and the angels sing Praise
I appreciate you as I do @Dizerner whom I have known for many years and is my beloved brother in Christ. He knows on some things we are not in agreement but that’s ok. We sharpen each other and we are tools , vessels in His hands. Is it any coincidence we are here right now?
 
@FreeInChrist
I still maintain that if the Son was not the Son from all of eternity past, it takes nothing away from the fact that the Word became Jesus and He was born as the Son. From that point on He would always be referred to as the Son, and God as the Father.
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@Dizerner
What?!

I think you have the wrong person here, lol.

None of this is correct.
I was not spekaing about you, but @praise_yeshua.

Looking back, I could have tagged it wrong, and if I did, I am very sorry, I was not speaking concerning you, since I truly have had very little back and forth disussions with you. Again, sorry if I did.
 
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@civic
Nope they share the same attributes
civic, this is incorrect~only in Christ's deity as the God of Genesis 1:1, do they share the same eternal attributes of teh Godhead, but Jesus as a man learned many things!

Hebrews 5:8​

“Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;”

Jesus of Nazareth is the complex Person of God and man ~ He possesses "both complete" natures.

This point is very important to properly understand God’s record of His Son Jesus Christ. The attributes of one nature are often ascribed to a name derived from the other nature. Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, so His Person involves divine and human characteristics.

Jesus Christ fully experienced all the aspects of human growth, weakness, and temptation, and even igorance!

Luke 2:52​

“And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.”

Jesus Christ, referred to as God, a Spirit, purchased the church with His BLOOD (Acts 20:28). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, DIED (Galatians 2:20). But only His humanity died (Ist Timothy 1:17; 6:16). God cannot die. Jesus, the Son of man, was OMNIPRESENT (John 3:13). Only His Deity could be so (Jeremiah 23:24). Jesus, the Son of man, WAS WITH GOD (John 6:62). Only His divinity could be so (John 1:1), not his humanity as the Son of God. Jesus, the Son, is SUBJECT TO GOD (I Cor 1:28). Only His humanity will be subject to God. Jesus, the Son, had a MOTHER NAMED MARY (Matthew 1:21). Mary is not the mother of God! Jesus claimed to be BEFORE ABRAHAM (John 8:58). Only His Deity was eternal (Micah 5:2). As I said above, Jesus grew in WISDOM AND STATURE (Lu 2:52). Only His humanity was ignorant (Colossians 2:3). Jesus slept (Mark 4:38), but only in His humanity; for His Deity could not sleep (Psalm 121:4). Again, Jesus thirsted, ate, and did all the things a human nature does, but which Deity cannot do.
 
@Dizerner
Even trying to reason with him is almost impossbile. God needs no humility, period! Only the Son of God, as a man, taught us true humility being the express image of His Father in the flesh. But, God whose is a Spirit, is perfect in all of His ways, and lacks not one thing, and humility is not something He needs to do, for all of His ways are perfect, glorious, beyond our powers to comphrend
I found it.......I meant to say "YOU"~not him! That's a common error as one gets older, by not writing exactlly what you are thinking. At some point in out life it will come time to lay the sword down for younger warriors to fight the battles, and my time is quickly coming to that point.
 
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