@civic
In this posit, I asked you to give me a brief biblical definition of what it means according to your understanding to be the Eternal Son of God, and you came back with this:
I
did not ask you to give a definition of the "externality of God," which we all believe in that truth, that's not even up for debate.
I made it very clear in the other thread when I ask the question: "What is real Divinity of the Most High God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as
essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability,
eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind.
Your points in order: 1) 1-
God is eternal that’s a fact , indisputable if you are a Christian, a Trinitarian. Agreed that God is eternal. A Trinitarian,
only according to the redemption of God's elect is He revealed as such. The incarnate Sonship of Jesus Christ does not deny or weaken the Trinity at all.
It establishes it. Only the ignorant or malicious will accuse the incarnate Sonship position of denying the Trinity. The Trinity of the Bible is superior to the speculative Trinity of the Nicene Creed and followers. The Bible makes all three Persons without any distinction in their nature whatsoever. The Bible knows nothing of “God of God” and other philosophical speculations of men. The Bible knows nothing of a begotten god, which confuses the Trinity into paganism. Scripture teaches one God. There is only
one Supreme Being (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; Ist Corinthians 4:8-6). God is self-subsistent and independent of others; He is eternal in both directions (
Ex 3:14; Ps 90:2). As I said already, the nature of God is that complete collection of attributes that makes Him distinctly God (
Galatians 4:8). Three Persons participate in this
single Divine nature without any degree of difference whatsoever. The three Persons are the Highest, the Word, and the Spirit (
Luke 1:32; John 1:1; Isaiah 48:16). And the three Persons are the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost (
Matthew 3:16-17; 28:19-20; 2nd Corinthians 13:14). And they are Spirit, Lord, and God (
Ist Corinthians 12:4-6), or Ancient of Days and Son of man (
Daniel 7:13). The doctrine of a three-in-one God is revealed plainly in Scripture
(Ist John 5:7), The Word and Spirit are wholly “I AM THAT I AM.” The Word
is not what the Father begat! The Word, Who became flesh in the Lord Jesus Christ, was fully God (
John 1:1 cp Colossians 2:9).
2)
There is
ONE God revealed as three "
only" according to the work of the redemption of God's elect. Jesus Christ in his deity as the God Genesis 1:1 is the everlasting Father, according to Isaiah the prophet, was he is error for saying this? You tell me, and explain how this is possible. Btw, you are doing very little of explaining your position, almost not a word.
Isaiah 9:6
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
Before moving on, let me ask you this question: Are you saying that the Son is eternal BECAUSE HE IS GOD, is that what you mean by the eternal son of God? The way you worded this makes me think that's what you are attempting to say. You tell me what you means by using the phrase "eternal Son" ~ you have not even try to explain this so far.
True only according to God's eternal purposes that he purposed within Himself, not true as far as actuality. God did not have a Son until the birth of Jesus Christ recorded for us in Luke's gospel.
Luke 2:11-21~"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds. But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them. And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before
he was conceived in the womb."
That's the Holy Ghost's record concerning when God's Son was born and came into being the Son of God in actuality. There is no other record for us to believe.
civic, again it seems to me that by the very fact you believe God is eternal then based upon that, The Son, who was God, is eternal in this sense, is this what you are trying to say?
There was a time when God was NOT Jesus Christ and that would be during his time on earth during his humanity, as concerning the Son of Man. Jesus was indeed God, yet God was not Jesus Christ!
I fully believe in
One LORD GOD, who manifested Himself as three,
ONLY for the purpose of the redemption of his people, yet in glory,
we shall only see JESUS CHRIST, who is the true God and eternal life.
that we do not have now.
Comprised of Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the preserver), and Shiva (the destroyer and regenerator)
