The Error of "Sin is Sin"

[Eternally-Grateful]

Sin, in the greek, it comes from the word hamarte. which literally means to "miss the mark"

God gave us a mark. that mark is perfection. All have sinned and fallen short of that mark.

from the smallest to the largest. Any sin we commit misses that mark. James said if we even stumble in this sin. it still makes us guilty.

 

[Phoebe]

I believe in OSAS because Jesus died for me.

s e l a h

Yes, Jesus did a complete job when He saved us. And we can not undo it.

 

[Selah]

Yes, Jesus did a complete job when He saved us. And we can not undo it.

The elect never will undo it. They were justified before the foundation of the world.

Romans 8:28-33 (NKJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? [It is] God who justifies.

s e l a h

 

[charismaticlady]

could it be the ones He takes away are believers. as an example Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 11:27-32 that many have died who took the Lords Supper unworthily and we have early on in the book of Acts 5:1-11 when Ananias and Sapphira were taken by the Lord for lying.

Could these be examples of sin leading to death ?

Look what Peter says and tell me what you think.

2 Peter 1:5-9
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

 

[Angelo]

I love all those verses, but how do you interpret your statement that "Jesus paid our sin debt." Is it anything like John 1:29 your last verse, or this verse 1 Peter 2:24?

I ask you this because there is a doctrine of demons in the Church that uses your statement, but the demons want us to believe that Jesus came so we can sin freely without punishment. But they know the wages of willful sin is still death.

Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

By studying the Bible you learn we do not have a "license to sin".
The concept of "license to sin" refers to the idea that God's grace or forgiveness provides a justification for continuing to sin. However, this is a misinterpretation of Christian theology. While God's grace is freely offered, it is not intended as an excuse to live a life of sin. Instead, grace empowers believers to turn away from sin and pursue a life of righteousness. Christian teaching emphasizes that true faith will be evidenced by a changed life, not a continued pattern of sin

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

By studying the Bible you learn we do not have a "license to sin".
The concept of "license to sin" refers to the idea that God's grace or forgiveness provides a justification for continuing to sin. However, this is a misinterpretation of Christian theology. While God's grace is freely offered, it is not intended as an excuse to live a life of sin. Instead, grace empowers believers to turn away from sin and pursue a life of righteousness. Christian teaching emphasizes that true faith will be evidenced by a changed life, not a continued pattern of sin

Amen,

As paul said in Eph 2: 10. God creates us anew.. for God works.

Our old nature no longer has control. Our new nature is given. And the new nature is allergic to sin.

God changes those who are his

As hebrews says by one offering he perfected forever ( a completed action) those who are being sanctified

Sanctification is an ongoing process. but it is in action.

 

[charismaticlady]

could it be the ones He takes away are believers. as an example Paul teaches in 1 Corinthians 11:27-32 that many have died who took the Lords Supper unworthily and we have early on in the book of Acts 5:1-11 when Ananias and Sapphira were taken by the Lord for lying.

Could these be examples of sin leading to death ?

Yes. Some mistake the "death" to be physical like suicide, or only the commandment about murder, but it is committing any of the sins of the flesh willfully, Galatians 5:19-21

 

[charismaticlady]

By studying the Bible you learn we do not have a "license to sin".
The concept of "license to sin" refers to the idea that God's grace or forgiveness provides a justification for continuing to sin. However, this is a misinterpretation of Christian theology. While God's grace is freely offered, it is not intended as an excuse to live a life of sin. Instead, grace empowers believers to turn away from sin and pursue a life of righteousness. Christian teaching emphasizes that true faith will be evidenced by a changed life, not a continued pattern of sin

Others believe as you do which is correct but do not grasp that Jesus died to take away sin out of our very nature. To them I'd like to emphasize that Jesus didn't leave us with a sin nature and a new one that is clean. (They believe we now have two natures.) We still only have one nature which used to be the sin nature which has been crucified and resurrected anew to partake of the divine nature of God.

That is a powerful experience. Many go the church for years and have never experienced the crucifixion of their flesh, the sin nature. They are the ones who look for preachers that teach 2 natures to go along with their lack of an experience of being born again of the Spirit. I went to church for 30 years BEFORE I was cleansed of all unrighteousness. I actually felt a dark heaviness leave my body, and then felt the Holy Spirit like warm oil fill my body.

 

[Cyrus]

We are saved but not sinless. But we do sin less.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 1 John1:9-10
If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.…

 

[charismaticlady]

We are saved but not sinless. But we do sin less.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 1 John1:9-10
If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.…

How do we sin less? That's like being a little bit pregnant. Jesus either takes away our sin, or He's a liar.

Notice 1 John 1:5-10. It is a contrast between light and darkness. You are making a dark verse mean light. Light - 5, 7, 9. Darkness 6, 8, 10. Little children I say this to you so you WILL NOT SIN.

 

[Cyrus]

How do we sin less? That's like being a little bit pregnant. Jesus either takes away our sin, or He's a liar.

Notice 1 John 1:5-10. It is a contrast between light and darkness. You are making a dark verse mean light. Light - 5, 7, 9. Darkness 6, 8, 10. Little children I say this to you so you WILL NOT SIN.

Sinless perfection for us here on this sinful, fallen world is imposable. Only Jesus is able to do that. Think foot washing.

“Unless I wash you, you have no part with me” (John 13:8b), prompting Peter, whose love for the Savior was genuine, to request a complete washing (verse 9). Then Jesus explained, “Those who have had a bath need only to wash their feet; their whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you” (verse 10). The disciples had “bathed,” and they were all “clean” but one—Judas, who would betray Him (verse 11).

So, Jesus’ act of washing the disciples’ feet illustrated their spiritual cleansing. Jesus is the One who forgives. Peter and the rest had experienced the full cleansing of salvation and did not need to be bathed again in the spiritual sense. Salvation is a one-time act of justification by faith. What follows is the lifelong process of sanctification: a daily washing away of the stain of sin. As we walk through the world, some of the world’s spiritual filth will cling to us, and that needs to be washed away—forgiven by Christ (see 1 John 1:9). Peter and the other disciples—all except Judas, who never belonged to Christ—needed only this minor cleansing.GOT?

 

[charismaticlady]

Sinless perfection for us here on this sinful, fallen world is imposable. Only Jesus is able to do that. Think foot washing.

I'm not talking about sinless perfection. Those two words are years apart. The first one means righteous and is the opposite of lawless. It is when we are first born again of the Spirit. 1 John 3 is all about sinlessness/righteous and being born of the Spirit.

Perfection is a process some churches erroneously call sanctification instead of glorification. 2 Peter 1:2-11 shows you that long process. Perfection is also called holiness. While our past sins are still forgiven, while we abide in Christ necessary to stay sinless, Jesus starts maturing the fruit of the Spirit in us, but only while we ABIDE IN HIM.

Abiding in Christ and He in us is all we must do for the Author and Finisher of our faith to complete His work in us to be ready for heaven. He knows us. Not like those of Matthew 7:19-23 to whom He says "I never knew you." He 'sees' those whose names are written in the Book of Life at the end.

 

[Adherent]

What about sins we accept?

Though I have not committed any of the big scandalous sins, I have gossiped, spoken critically of others, harbored resentment, become impatient, acted selfishly, failed to trust God in difficult issues of life, succumbed to materialism, and even let my favorite football team become an idol. I have to say with Paul that I am the foremost of sinners. Or to paraphrase John Newton’s words, “I am a great sinner, but I have a great Savior.” That is my only hope. That is the only remedy for my sin, and it is your only remedy as well.

Here is a good book by Jerry Bridges, Sins We Accept. At Kindle for $2:00