civic
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Nope they were not saved but were the ones the Father draws to the Son.
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civic
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To no avail
But constantly neverthelessTo no avail
brightfame52
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Jesus again tells us who hears His voice Jn 18:37
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
To be of the Truth is to be saved, thats who hears His voice
You are twisting scripture again. Jesus is speaking to Jews who should have had a relationship with God and therefore would hear the words of God, which are the words he was speaking.
It has nothing to do with saying men must first be saved before they can believe the gospel
brightfame52
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Jesus again tells us who hears His voice Jn 18:37
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one[jew or gentile] that is of the truth heareth my voice.
To be of the Truth is to be saved, that's who hears His voice
You ignored this
You are twisting scripture again. Jesus is speaking to Jews who should have had a relationship with God and therefore would hear the words of God, which are the words he was speaking.
It has nothing to do with saying men must first be saved before they can believe the gospel
brightfame52
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Jesus again tells us who hears His voice Jn 18:37
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one[jew or gentile] that is of the truth heareth my voice.
To be of the Truth is to be saved, that's who hears His voice
You are twisting scripture again. Jesus is speaking to Jews who should have had a relationship with God and therefore would hear the words of God, which are the words he was speaking.
It has nothing to do with saying men must first be saved before they can believe the gospel
brightfame52
Well-known member
Jesus again tells us who hears His voice Jn 18:37
37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one[jew or gentile] that is of the truth heareth my voice.
To be of the Truth is to be saved, that's who hears His voice in the Gospel !
You are twisting scripture again. Jesus is speaking to Jews who should have had a relationship with God and therefore would hear the words of God, which are the words he was speaking.
It has nothing to do with saying men must first be saved before they can believe the gospel
brightfame52
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Can the lost children of the devil hear the word of God ? Jn 8:43-45
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
