Tasted Death for every Man !

[brightfame52]

1 John 2:2-He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Read it and come to the Truth.

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Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

 

[civic]

Like I said: Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

You have been refuted with plenty of scripture and the lexicons. You have no legs left to stand on as they have just been cut off by the Sword of the Spirit- the Word of God.

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[brightfame52]

You have been refuted with plenty of scripture and the lexicons. You have no legs left to stand on as they have just been cut off by the Sword of the Spirit- the Word of God.

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Like I said: Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

 

[civic]

Like I said: Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

Projecting

 

[Dizerner]

Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

...for the sins of the whole world.

Good game.

 

[civic]

...for the sins of the whole world.

Good game.

he adds "elect", "sheep" to the whole world.

 

[brightfame52]

...for the sins of the whole world.

Good game.

Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

 

[civic]

Absolute false statement found nowhere in scripture., pure conjecture

1 John 2:2- you are calling God a liar as John says in his epistle.

 

[brightfame52]

1 John 2:2- you are calling God a liar as John says in his epistle.

That verse says nothing about Christ died for all without exception. Such a verse doesnt exist ! Quit wresting scripture.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

That verse says nothing about Christ died for all without exception. Such a verse doesnt exist ! Quit wresting scripture.

The context of the verse is clear.
The author is writing his letter to Christian believers.
Not the believers of a particular church in the Mediterranean basin, as Paul did, but to Christian believers in general, wherever they live:

I write to you, little children,
Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.
I write to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
Because you have overcome the wicked one.
I write to you, little children,
Because you have known the Father.
I have written to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men,
Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you,
And you have overcome the wicked one. (1 John 2:12-14)


Therefore, when in 1 John 2:2, the inspired author is saying Christ died for "our" sins, he means the Christian believers, and when he says "for the whole world", he means all other people who are not Christian believers.

"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. "

So, there is no room for "exceptions" here. In this verse, "John" (or whoever wrote the epistle) defines only TWO GROUPS for whom Christ died:

Group 1: The Christian believers to whom he's writing the letter
Group 2: All other people not belonging to Group 1.

Group 1 + Group 2 = All human beings.

 

[brightfame52]

The context of the verse is clear.
The author is writing his letter to Christian believers.
Not the believers of a particular church in the Mediterranean basin, as Paul did, but to Christian believers in general, wherever they live:

I write to you, little children,
Because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.
I write to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
Because you have overcome the wicked one.
I write to you, little children,
Because you have known the Father.
I have written to you, fathers,
Because you have known Him who is from the beginning.
I have written to you, young men,
Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you,
And you have overcome the wicked one. (1 John 2:12-14)


Therefore, when in 1 John 2:2, the inspired author is saying Christ died for "our" sins, he means the Christian believers, and when he says "for the whole world", he means all other people who are not Christian believers.

"My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. "

So, there is no room for "exceptions" here. In this verse, "John" (or whoever wrote the epistle) defines only TWO GROUPS for whom Christ died:

Group 1: The Christian believers to whom he's writing the letter
Group 2: All other people not belonging to Group 1.

Group 1 + Group 2 = All human beings.

That verse says nothing about Christ died for all without exception. Such a verse doesnt exist ! Quit wresting scripture.

 

[civic]

No, thats like saying He tasted death for the goats, the tares, the vessels of wrath, the children of the devil.

You mix metaphors the Bible doesn’t mention in this context. That’s adding to act which is a big no no with your eisegesis of the biblical text and narrative.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

You mix metaphors the Bible doesn’t mention in this context. That’s adding to act which is a big no no with your eisegesis of the biblical text and narrative.

hope this helps !!!

No, thats like saying He tasted death for the goats, the tares, the vessels of wrath, the children of the devil.

 

[civic]

No, thats like saying He tasted death for the goats, the tares, the vessels of wrath, the children of the devil.

nope its not since those phrases are not in the bible you made them up with your flawed human reasoning to justify your false teaching on the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

nope its not since those phrases are not in the bible you made them up with your flawed human reasoning to justify your false teaching on the gospel.

, thats like saying He tasted death for the goats, the tares, the vessels of wrath, the children of the devil.

 

[civic]

, thats like saying He tasted death for the goats, the tares, the vessels of wrath, the children of the devil.

nope you made that up.

btw- you were or are a child of wrath , a child of the devil just like the rest according to Paul in Ephesians 2:1-3.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

nope you made that up.

btw- you were or are a child of wrath , a child of the devil just like the rest according to Paul in Ephesians 2:1-3.

next fallacy

, thats like saying He tasted death for the goats, the tares, the vessels of wrath, the children of the devil.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ tasted death for or offered Himself for, for every man that by it, has been perfected forever, for that's the outcome and efficaciousness of His Death or offering for them, Heb 10:10,14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body[tasting death] of Jesus Christ once for all.

14 For by one offering[taste of death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Now both sanctified in Vs 10 and perfected in Vs 14 are in the perfect tense, completed acts in the past with results abiding into the present

The Perfect Tense
Action that has been completed in the past yet has results occurring in the present are expressed by the perfect tense. The perfect is often translated as "I have loosened." https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm

Albert Barnes writes and I agree:

We are sanctified - We are made holy. The word here is not confined to the specific work which is commonly called sanctification - or the process of making the soul holy after it is renewed, but it includes everything by which we are made holy in the sight of God. It embraces, therefore, justification and regeneration as well as what is commonly known as sanctification. The idea is, that whatever there is in our hearts which is holy, or whatever influences are brought to bear upon us to make us holy, is all to be traced to the fact that the Redeemer became obedient unto death, and was willing to offer his body as a sacrifice for sin.

JFB writes:

are sanctified—once for all, and as our permanent state (so the Greek). It is the finished work of Christ in having sanctified us (that is, having translated us from a state of unholy alienation into a state of consecration to God, having "no more conscience of sin," Heb 10:2) once for all and permanently, not the process of gradual sanctification, which is here referred to.

Matt Poole

We are sanctified: sanctified is to be taken largely, for a communication to us of all the benefits of redemption, as pardon, reconciliation, absolution from punishment, renovation of God’s image, and such a discharge of sin at last, as never to be guilty of it more, perfection of grace in glory.

John Gill

By the which will we are sanctified,.... That is, by the sacrifice of Christ, which was willingly offered up by himself, and was according to the will of God; it was his will of purpose that Christ should be crucified and slain; and it was his will of command, that he should lay down his life for his people; and it was grateful and well pleasing to him, that his soul should be made an offering for sin; and that for this reason, because hereby the people of God are sanctified, their sins are perfectly expiated, the full pardon of them is procured, their persons are completely justified from sin, and their consciences purged from it: even through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all;

Now these things are the result of and takes place for and in every man Christ tasted death for ! All for whom they dont take effect upon and in, obviously He didn't taste death for them, they were not of His Sheep !