Taking credit for your salvation

[Presby02]

Hmmm foghorn spells oops opps. Nice slip up

Good deflection.

 

[civic]

Good deflection.

No your questions are deflections.

Projecting duly noted.

 

[Presby02]

No your questions are deflections.

Projecting duly noted.

Is Sin some sort of creative opps? A unforeseen consequence that now God is trying to fix?

I understand you don't like the questions. They expose the silliness of your view. Hence, you will never answer.

 

[civic]

Is Sin some sort of creative opps? A unforeseen consequence that now God is trying to fix?

I understand you don't like the questions. They expose the silliness of your view. Hence, you will never answer.

Conflating foreknowledge with determinism

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[Presby02]

Conflating foreknowledge with determinism

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An attempt at topic change. Understandable.

 

[TomL]

Spot on exposing the lies about God

Calvinsts have to ignore many scriptures to hold their theology

 

[TomL]

No one said it did and your ignoring the point. God, as the creator of all things, is ultimately the cause of all that exists. All that exists serves His divine purpose.

No he is the ultimate cause of creation not your sin

If he did not cause your sin he cannot be the ultimate cause of it

You are logically busted

1 John 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[TomL]

Context:​

1 Corinthians 10:13 is part of Paul's letter to the Corinthians, where he addresses various issues within the Corinthian church. In the preceding verses (1 Corinthians 10:6-12), Paul recounts the Israelites' experiences in the wilderness and warns the Corinthians against falling into similar patterns of disobedience and idolatry. He then reassures them that God is faithful and will provide a way of escape from temptation.

Word Study:​

1. Temptation (πειρασμός - peirasmos): You do know the differnce between dokimazo and peirazo?
   • Morphology: Noun, masculine gender.
   • Meaning: Refers to trials, tests, or temptations that come upon individuals, often with the intention of leading them into sin or testing their faithfulness.
2. Common (ἀνθρώπινος - anthrōpinos):
   • Morphology: Adjective.
   • Meaning: Pertaining to humanity, human, or common to mankind. It indicates that the temptations experienced by believers are not unique but are shared by others.
3. Able (δύναμαι - dynamai):
   • Morphology: Verb, present indicative middle or passive.
   • Meaning: Denotes capability, power, or ability. It suggests that believers have the capacity, through God's strength, to withstand temptation.
4. Faithful (πιστός - pistos):
   • Morphology: Adjective.
   • Meaning: Trustworthy, reliable, or faithful. It describes God's character and his steadfast commitment to his promises.
5. Suffer (ἐάω - eáō):
   • Morphology: Verb, future indicative active.
   • Meaning: Allow, permit, or tolerate. It indicates that God will not allow believers to be overwhelmed by temptation beyond their capacity to endure.
6. Way of Escape (ἔκβασις - ekbasis):
   • Morphology: Noun, feminine gender.
   • Meaning: A way out, exit, or escape route. It signifies God's provision of a means to overcome temptation and avoid succumbing to sin.

Interpretation:​

1 Corinthians 10:13 reassures believers that temptations they face are not unique but are common to humanity. However, God is faithful and will not allow them to be tempted beyond what they can bear. Instead, He will provide a way of escape alongside the temptation, enabling them to withstand it and remain faithful.

Summary:​

Understanding the context and conducting a word study of 1 Corinthians 10:13 enriches our comprehension of its message. It underscores God's faithfulness in the midst of trials, His provision of strength to withstand temptation, and His assurance of a way out for believers facing challenges. This verse offers encouragement and hope to believers, reminding them of God's steadfastness and provision in times of testing.

Context and exegesis-

And what does that to do with the fact that if God promises a way to avoid temptation, he cannot determine you fall to that temptation.

 

[TibiasDad]

Interpretation:​

1 Corinthians 10:13 reassures believers that temptations they face are not unique but are common to humanity. However, God is faithful and will not allow them to be tempted beyond what they can bear. Instead, He will provide a way of escape alongside the temptation, enabling them to withstand it and remain faithful.

Does this mean that when God provides a way to escape temptation that the one tempted always takes that escape?

You are correct that God is faithful to provide, but that doesn’t mean you will always take advantage of his provision.

Doug

 

[TomL]

Does this mean that when God provides a way to escape temptation that the one tempted always takes that escape?

You are correct that God is faithful to provide, but that doesn’t mean you will always take advantage of his provision.

Doug

No it doesn't, but it does insure he did not determine you would fall to that temptation

for there is no way to avoid what God determines

 

[Johann]

And what does that to do with the fact that if God promises a way to avoid temptation, he cannot determine you fall to that temptation.

@TomL you are not here to engage in a mature Christlike manner and since this morning you are all over the place.
Settle down-this is not WWE Raw Last Man Standing. Just be glad you are still part of this Forum as much grace has been given me on this forum.
I consider it a privileged to be here, not to do my own "thang" but hopefully to be a blessing to others and hopefully to learn something here, for my own spiritual edification.

 

[Johann]

Does this mean that when God provides a way to escape temptation that the one tempted always takes that escape?

You are correct that God is faithful to provide, but that doesn’t mean you will always take advantage of his provision.

Doug

No, not always @TibiasDad speaking from my own personal experience.

 

[civic]

No he is the ultimate cause of creation not your sin

If he did not cause your sin he cannot be the ultimate cause of it

You are logically busted

1 John 2:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Exactly

 

[TomL]

Exactly

Yep

 

[TomL]

@TomL you are not here to engage in a mature Christlike manner and since this morning you are all over the place.
Settle down-this is not WWE Raw Last Man Standing. Just be glad you are still part of this Forum as much grace has been given me on this forum.
I consider it a privileged to be here, not to do my own "thang" but hopefully to be a blessing to others and hopefully to learn something here, for my own spiritual edification.

The question was

And what does that to do with the fact that if God promises a way to avoid temptation, he cannot determine you fall to that temptation.

Its simple enough for anyone who desires truth

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

The question was

And what does that to do with the fact that if God promises a way to avoid temptation, he cannot determine you fall to that temptation.

Its simple enough for anyone who desires truth

"You meant it for evil but God meant it for good" is an example of that. Surely Joseph's brothers sold Joseph into slavery as a result of temptation, no? Yet God meant for it to happen.

 

[TomL]

The one who causes something to occur and predetermines it to happen when no other result is possible is by definition responsible , guilty of the event they caused to occur. So your god in your theology is the responsible / guilty party. Evil in your system was caused by your god as the source.

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It's inescapable

 

[TomL]

"You meant it for evil but God meant it for good" is an example of that. Surely Joseph's brothers sold Joseph into slavery as a result of temptation, no? Yet God meant for it to happen.

All we know from that is Joseph's brothers had a plan to harm Joseph but God allowed it to bring about good

 

[Johann]

The question was

And what does that to do with the fact that if God promises a way to avoid temptation, he cannot determine you fall to that temptation.

Its simple enough for anyone who desires truth

Already answered @TibiasDad your highness.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

All we know from that is Joseph's brothers had a plan to harm Joseph but God allowed it to bring about good

It doesn't say "God allowed it". It says "God MEANT it".