Riddle Me This:

[jeremiah1five]

'For from the top of the rocks I see him,
and from the hills I behold him:
lo, the people shall dwell alone,
and shall not be reckoned among the nations.'
(Num 23:9)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

It is clear from the verse above that God does not want the people of Israel to be reckoned among the nations: and the Scriptures evidence the fact that the Holy Spirit, (Who is the author of the Scriptures), refers to 'Jews' or 'Gentiles' (i.e., either individually or corporately from among the nations, who are not Jews by birth ).

So when Paul was sent out as the Apostle to the Gentiles, though his first destination was to the local Synagogue, (for the Jew always had prior place), he then spoke to the Gentiles, those who attended the synagogue as converts to Judaism, and those beyond the synagogue doors also. Preaching the gospel that he had received from the risen Christ (Gal. 1:11 & 2:7). When Paul refers to either Jew or Gentile, he always tells us which he is speaking to, He does not tell us that he is speaking to Gentiles when in fact he is speaking to whoever is of Jewish descent among them, or to those among them who are in fact, proselytes, ( converts to Judaism ) and not therefore Gentiles: as you jeremiah1five assert that he does.

For Paul obeyed the known will of God, that, ' ... the people (i.e., of Israel) , shall not be reckoned among the nations' (Gentles).
Perhaps you should obey this injunction too: and not deprive the Gentile of the hope of salvation. in & through Christ Jesus their risen and ascended Lord as you do.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Abraham Covenant.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in the Mosaic Covenant.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in the New Covenant prophecy by Jeremiah (31:31-34.)

Joel prophesied God promising His Spirit to Israel ONLY.

All the above is true.

So, if we interpret "Gentiles" in the New Covenant writings (Matthew to Revelation) as non-Hebrew Gentiles and we add them to the Abraham, Mosaic, or New Covenants after the covenants have been closed and never named or mentioned non-Hebrew Gentiles as being in these three covenants, and if we teach without Scripture proof that God promised His Spirit to non-Hebrew Gentiles - which Spirit is necessary for salvation - then we have added to the Bible things not there in the original covenants where the covenants are described, right?

If we do this then we can add ANYTHING we want to the Bible without Scripture proof to back us up, right?

That's what we'd be doing. Is this OK before God?

 

[101G]

Good to hear. Now, I don't have to obey the Law that commands me to not have other gods before me!
You, too. Don't obey the Law. You can have all the gods you want in your life. The more the merrier.

OBEY GOD. for if you have him, (JESUS, the LORD, who is Lord), in your heart will you have ... NO ... other "god", or "God" beside him,? did you not understand the posts 101G gave? as the bible said, be not stiff necked, and hard hearted. NOW LISTEN, Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." WHAT CHANGED? answer, John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." say what! a NEW COMMAND? .... get out of here. you got to be kidding. if it is NEW, just as Hebrews said, what happens to the old commands/LAW? let's see, Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

WHAT! ........ "Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." ..... (smile), ..... lol, lol, lol, YIKES! remember Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." ... lol, lol. Oh my.

READ John 13:34 ... in conjunction with Hebrews 8:13. when you get that in your belly,,,,,,,,, come on up to the year 2025 and lets read this, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

see that J5, "and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" that false or fake gospel one have in their hearts by saying, " I don't have to obey the Law that commands me to not have other gods before me!". see that IGNORANCE is no more, why because you have been told...... (smile). one cannot play IGNORANT anymore.

this LOVE, which is Spirit and TRUTH, is this ..... "LOVE", .... love God and one WANT HAVE ANOTHER "GOD", or "god". ...

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

OBEY GOD. for if you have him, (JESUS, the LORD, who is Lord), in your heart will you have ... NO ... other "god", or "God" beside him,? did you not understand the posts 101G gave? as the bible said, be not stiff necked, and hard hearted. NOW LISTEN, Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." WHAT CHANGED? answer, John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." say what! a NEW COMMAND? .... get out of here. you got to be kidding. if it is NEW, just as Hebrews said, what happens to the old commands/LAW? let's see, Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

WHAT! ........ "Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." ..... (smile), ..... lol, lol, lol, YIKES! remember Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." ... lol, lol. Oh my.

READ John 13:34 ... in conjunction with Hebrews 8:13. when you get that in your belly,,,,,,,,, come on up to the year 2025 and lets read this, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

see that J5, "and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" that false or fake gospel one have in their hearts by saying, " I don't have to obey the Law that commands me to not have other gods before me!". see that IGNORANCE is no more, why because you have been told...... (smile). one cannot play IGNORANT anymore.

this LOVE, which is Spirit and TRUTH, is this ..... "LOVE", .... love God and one WANT HAVE ANOTHER "GOD", or "god". ...

101G.

Make up your double-minded mind. You say we're no longer under the Law and then you say obey the Law and not have other gods before [me.]

 

[101G]

Make up your double-minded mind. You say we're no longer under the Law and then you say obey the Law and not have other gods before [me.]

...101G said, we're not under the old law....... read before you speak. and don't speak for 101G...... ok. (smile) ... yikes !

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

...101G said, we're not under the old law....... read before you speak. and don't speak for 101G...... ok. (smile) ... yikes !

101G.

I got it right. You said we're not under the Law (of Moses.) Well, there's only ONE Law in Scripture.
If you're going to say something like the "Law of Christ" then that would still be the Law of Moses since it was Christ (Greek: Messias" = "Anointing") who gave the Law of Moses to begin with and Law of Christ means Law of the Spirit. It's the same thing as saying, "Doctrine of Christ" (2 John.) They are all the same thing.

 

[101G]

I got it right.

ERROR, no you got it wrong. and here'd why.

You said we're not under the Law (of Moses.) Well, there's only ONE Law in Scripture.

second ERROR, Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." AND DID NOT THE LAW CAME BY THE ..... "FIRST COVENANT?" , yes, now that we have a NEW COVENANT, there is a change in the LAW. (which is no more because it have been fulfilled in Christ Jesus). LISTEN and LEARN, Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?" Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
READ THAT AGAIN.

now......... Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." Hebrews 7:15 "And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest," Hebrews 7:16 "Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." Hebrews 7:17 "For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." Hebrews 7:18 "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof." Hebrews 7:19 "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God."

J5 DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TERM .... "disannulling" MEANS? since you don't listen up. it is the Greek term,
G115 ἀθέτησις athetesis (a-the'-tee-sis) n.
cancellation.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G114]
KJV: disannulling, put away
Root(s): G114

NOW NOTICE ALSO THE ROOT OF THE WORD.
G114 ἀθετέω atheteo (a-the-te'-ō) v.
1. to set aside.
2. (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate.
[from a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5087]
KJV: cast off, despise, disannul, frustrate, bring to nought, reject
Root(s): G1, G5087


put aside, neutralize , cancellation? yes, because under the new Covenant and ... under the NEW PRIESTHOOD, listen, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

KNOWING THIS, which apparently YOU DON'T KNOW. that the Mosaic Law is not for CHRISTIANS who are born again. Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man". our righteousness is in christ Jesus.... now if you cannot read, or accept what the bible say..... there is no need for you to response, because you're either disobedient, ungodly, a sinner, unholy and profane, or a murderer of fathers and a murderer of mothers, or a whoremonger, or a menstealer as is contrary to sound doctrine. just as 1 Timothy here states. ..... Good day....... (smile) YIKES.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

ERROR, no you got it wrong. and here'd why.

second ERROR, Hebrews 8:13 "In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." AND DID NOT THE LAW CAME BY THE ..... "FIRST COVENANT?" , yes, now that we have a NEW COVENANT, there is a change in the LAW. (which is no more because it have been fulfilled in Christ Jesus). LISTEN and LEARN, Hebrews 7:11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?" Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
READ THAT AGAIN.

now......... Hebrews 7:14 "For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." Hebrews 7:15 "And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest," Hebrews 7:16 "Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life." Hebrews 7:17 "For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." Hebrews 7:18 "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof." Hebrews 7:19 "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God."

J5 DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TERM .... "disannulling" MEANS? since you don't listen up. it is the Greek term,
G115 ἀθέτησις athetesis (a-the'-tee-sis) n.
cancellation.
{literally or figuratively}
[from G114]
KJV: disannulling, put away
Root(s): G114

NOW NOTICE ALSO THE ROOT OF THE WORD.
G114 ἀθετέω atheteo (a-the-te'-ō) v.
1. to set aside.
2. (by implication) to disesteem, neutralize or violate.
[from a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of G5087]
KJV: cast off, despise, disannul, frustrate, bring to nought, reject
Root(s): G1, G5087


put aside, neutralize , cancellation? yes, because under the new Covenant and ... under the NEW PRIESTHOOD, listen, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

KNOWING THIS, which apparently YOU DON'T KNOW. that the Mosaic Law is not for CHRISTIANS who are born again. Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man". our righteousness is in christ Jesus.... now if you cannot read, or accept what the bible say..... there is no need for you to response, because you're either disobedient, ungodly, a sinner, unholy and profane, or a murderer of fathers and a murderer of mothers, or a whoremonger, or a menstealer as is contrary to sound doctrine. just as 1 Timothy here states. ..... Good day....... (smile) YIKES.

101G.

Pay attention to the wording because you're missing it.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 8:13.

It says it's "ready" to vanish away, it doesn't say it has. Nor does it say WHEN it will vanish away. The Law will never vanish away because the Word of God is eternal. When God gave Moses this covenant He never gave an expiration date. There is NO EXPIRATION date.

Another thing is that the Law served as "type and shadow" of the Holy Spirit. It is HE, the Holy Spirit, that God said as part of the New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah that He (THE LAW) was to "put in our inward parts" But NOT in Gentile inward parts, but the inward parts of those with whom this covenant is made with, that is, the House of Israel and the House of Judah - ALL TWELVE TRIBES of the children of Israel/Jacob. Thus, the commands to "not have other gods before us" and to "thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not commit adultery are STILL IN FORCE and remain as commandments to the children of Israel.

You, as a Gentile, and your ancestors were NEVER under the Law, so it (the Law) doesn't apply to you.
The Mosaic Law was made/given to Moses for the children of Israel to obey, NOT TO GENTILES - and YOU are Gentile and excluded from the Mosaic Covenant to begin with.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4–5.

And this is not the only place where Saul and the other Jewish Christians (Matthew, James, John, Peter, etc.) in the Church Jesus promised to build make this claim.
Now, this is the prophecy of the New Covenant by Jeremiah around 730 BC -

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:31–33.

You can read on to verse 34 and see there is no mention of non-Hebrew Gentiles, but that this covenant - which will be NEW - is made between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah, so you as a non-Hebrew Gentile are NOT included in this covenant nor are you included in the Mosaic Covenant because the Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel. The children of Israel were in bondage in Egypt and God sent Moses to deliver them from OUT OF bondage as God promised Abraham in Genesis 15 He would do after sending them INTO bondage to begin with.
The Mosaic Covenant included the Ceremonial Law, the Societal Law, and the Moral Law, which God gave to Moses at Mount Sinai to give to the children of ISRAEL (Jacob) so I know that you are Gentile and Gentiles were never under the Law to begin with. So, don't worry your little heart about that. You're not Jewish and so you're not in ANY of the Hebrew covenants at all.

Another thing is that Jesus instituted the New Covenant with His body and blood while He and the twelve disciples were observing the Passover meal in the upper room. You're not Jewish so you don't observe this very holy ceremony, never have and you never will, RIGHT?
Jesus was prophesied by Moses to come at a future day. Jesus came as John the Baptist said in the gospel 1:31 -

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
John 1:31.

Jesus taught the people the Law of Moses. He was a rabbi. But the problem Jesus had with the religious leaders was that Jesus taught the Jews the spirit of the Law, and they only understood the letter of the Law. And when Saul became born-again on the road to Damascus he remained obedient to the Law of Moses as a Jewish Christian. Saul was "justified" by God and if you say the Law is "taken away" then Saul and every Jewish Christian born-again remained UN-justified and are still "GUILTY!" before God. But as I said, the Abraham, Mosaic, and the New Covenants were made by God with the children of Israel and since you're not Jewish you don't have to worry about what and what not Jews have to obey or not to obey. Gentiles were never made part of the Abraham, Mosaic, and New Covenants. For you, as a non-Hebrew Gentile, to tell the Jews while you are outside of their covenants with God that you have any say in what is to be obeyed or not obeyed is like a Muslim telling Americans what parts - if any - of the Constitution should be obeyed and what parts don't exists or are vanished away. Muslims have no say in our Constitution nor in our system of government.
Good luck, Gentile. You're going to need it.

 

[101G]

Pay attention to the wording because you're missing it.

13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 8:13.

It says it's "ready" to vanish away, it doesn't say it has. Nor does it say WHEN it will vanish away. The Law will never vanish away because the Word of God is eternal. When God gave Moses this covenant He never gave an expiration date. There is NO EXPIRATION date.

LOL, LOL, LOL, "It says it's "ready" to vanish away, it doesn't say it has. Nor does it say WHEN it will vanish away.". WELL LISTEN AND LEARN, . here is it in vanishing away. Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
WHEN IS THE LAW VANISHING AWAY? ...... till the seed should come SO, j5 HAS THE SEED COME? ..... (SMILE), OH BOY..... when will they EVER LEARN.

now listen, Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:25 "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." ...................... READ THAT AGAIN, AND AGAIN.

see, you're still in school.... never graduating, as the scriptures clearly states, 2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." ..... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Boy.

did you hear that? ...... "Ever learning, and never , NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, able to come to the knowledge of the truth."


good day.
101G.

"WHERE THERE IS KNOWLEDGE ...... NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, STAY IGNORANT"........

 

[jeremiah1five]

LOL, LOL, LOL, "It says it's "ready" to vanish away, it doesn't say it has. Nor does it say WHEN it will vanish away.". WELL LISTEN AND LEARN, . here is it in vanishing away. Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
WHEN IS THE LAW VANISHING AWAY? ...... till the seed should come SO, j5 HAS THE SEED COME? ..... (SMILE), OH BOY..... when will they EVER LEARN.

now listen, Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Galatians 3:25 "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." ...................... READ THAT AGAIN, AND AGAIN.

see, you're still in school.... never graduating, as the scriptures clearly states, 2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." ..... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Boy.

did you hear that? ...... "Ever learning, and never , NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, able to come to the knowledge of the truth."


good day.
101G.

"WHERE THERE IS KNOWLEDGE ...... NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, STAY IGNORANT"........

The Law of Moses (including the Abrahamic Covenant) is still in effect. It is the Law that God promised to put in the "inward parts" of the Hebrew people according to Jeremiah 31:31-34.

You as Gentile were never under the Law and so it has nothing to do with you or your Gentile ancestors.

 

[101G]

The Law of Moses (including the Abrahamic Covenant) is still in effect. It is the Law that God promised to put in the "inward parts" of the Hebrew people according to Jeremiah 31:31-34.

You as Gentile were never under the Law and so it has nothing to do with you or your Gentile ancestors.

ERROR, 101G will not entertain you anymore...... you're still in school and blind to the truth..... good DAY.

101G.