jeremiah1five
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There is no Bible what?
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First - There is no current atonement for sin by any animal.
Second - Atonement is in Christ
Third - It is through faith
Fourth - It is for all Jew and Gentile
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:14–18 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Col 3:11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 10:34–35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Rom 3:29–30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Eph 3:6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
Acts 15:7–9 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Rom 9:24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
Gal 2:14–16 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Rom 2:9–11 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
TibiasDad
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Absolute heresy!
For all have sinned and fallen short, and all have been justified freely by his blood! Whoever believes will not perish but have life everlasting. “He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.“ (No qualifications, no modifiers) That is the gospel message in scripture. Nothing in scripture limits who might be saved, or who is capable of being saved.
Doug
jeremiah1five
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You really don't understand what Jesus did, do you.
It completely went over your head. Now I know who you are. You're stuck. You really are stuck.
jeremiah1five
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So, you say Jesus came to add Gentiles to the Law of Moses and in doing so has destroyed the Law of Moses.
According to you Jesus destroyed Himself. That's what you hold to and what you believe. Jesus destroyed Himself!
TibiasDad
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Fulfilled the Law, and all who believe are placed in him and thus have also fulfilled the whole law and are able to fulfill all the righteous requirements of the law. Rom 8:1-2. The accounts of Ruth, Rahab, the Ninevites, and Jethro in the OT demonstrate that Gentiles were redeemable if they adhered to the law. This, their sins were also atoned for on the Day of Atonement through the sacrifices made. They became Jews “inwardly” like all who have believed as they did.
Doug
jeremiah1five
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If Gentiles were not atoned under the Law, they were not atoned by the sacrifice of Jesus the Christ. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, NOT change it to include Gentiles. Any change in the Law would destroy the Lawe, but thanks be to God that NO ONE can change the Law, and in this case, add Gentiles to Israel's atonement.
What are you talking about? Ruth, Rahab, the Ninevites? Ruth, Rahab, and the Ninevites were never under the Law. They are not the seed of Abraham. And the covenant is to and for the seed of Abraham. Ruth was a Moabitess, Rahab was a Canaanite, and Ninevites were Assyrian. None of these were under the Law. There is no Scripture that even makes such claims.
Seriously, you ignore much scripture and are speaking of yourself.
First - There is no current atonement for sin by any animal.
Second - Atonement is in Christ
Third - It is through faith
Fourth - It is for all Jews and Gentiles
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:14–18 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Col 3:11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 10:34–35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Rom 3:29–30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Eph 3:6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
Acts 15:7–9 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Rom 9:24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
Gal 2:14–16 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Rom 2:9–11 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Please let me know when you want to actually deal with all of scripture.
FreeInChrist
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There is a Holy book that has recorded the inspired words of God.
There is no where in that Holy book that the word bible appears..... just like no word trinity.
So if there is no trinity there is no bible.
Get YOUR terminology correct.
The term is derived from the Greek word "biblia," meaning "books," and was used to refer to the collection of sacred writings later on
You cannot pick and choose what to believe and what not to, to form your personal eisegesis.
And even you have to admit that with your all OT beliefs, and little, if any new, since biblia is a Greek word meaning books... and was translated bible in English..... you need to avoid that which is not there.
Just the same as Trinity . The word "Trinity" comes from the Latin term "trinitas," meaning "threefold," which was used to describe the unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Christian doctrine. It was first used by early church fathers like Tertullian in the 2nd century to express this concept of one God in three persons
Since neither word was in the original texts STOP using Bible.
jeremiah1five
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IF gentiles were not atoned along with Israel under the Law, then neither were Gentiles atoned by Christ.
To say Gentiles were atoned by Christ is to have Christ add to God's Word not fulfill it. This is where you fall off the radar of truth. Christ Himself said He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it, and its fulfillment is in accordance with the Law of Moses. You can post all the New Testament passages you want the bottom line is that Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Law has only the children of Israel under the sacrifice for sins. It began in Egypt with the first Passover in which the Holy Spirit, the Angel of Death, killed all the firstborn males of Egyptians and Egyptian animals and livestock, etc. From that day forward God instructed and commanded the children of Israel in the worship of the God of Abraham. For over 1500 years Israel sacrificed animals that temporarily atoned their sins for one year until they gathered again one year later to repeat the sacrifice. This was commanded by God and NO GENTILES were ever part of this worship. So, when Jesus finally appeared He died finally and totally to atone the sins of the children of Israel. When the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL came down from heaven in Acts 2 as a mighty rushing wind and filled the eleven disciples Israel found itself entering the New Covenant era.
jeremiah1five
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The word "Bible" doesn't appear in the text because books were not made until the 15th century AD. Before that was parchment and papyrus, and scrolls. And it wasn't Tertullian did not explain the doctrine of the Trinity, John did. The doctrine of the Trinity of God did not find its fullest expression until the advent of the Son. The Hebrew people were already familiar with the LORD and with His Spirit. Now, Jesus arrives and proves He not only is their Lord and King but also their Messiah and Deliverer. One can even find the doctrine or concept at least of God the Son in the Psalms. That's another 1000 years before Jesus arrived.
The doctrine of the Trinity of God is in the Old Testament.
You have ignored scripture
First - There is no current atonement for sin by any animal.
Second - Atonement is in Christ
Third - It is through faith
Fourth - It is for all Jews and Gentiles
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:14–18 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Col 3:11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 10:34–35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Rom 3:29–30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Eph 3:6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
Acts 15:7–9 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Rom 9:24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
Gal 2:14–16 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? “We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles; nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Rom 2:9–11 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Please notify me when you want to actually deal with all of scripture.
FreeInChrist
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jeremiah1five
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The New Covenant between God and the children of Israel is recorded and described in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Show me where "faith" is required.
It is not.
But what this New Covenant does entail is forgiveness of Israel's sins and it says this in these verses. Faith is not required. You do what all false religions do and that is ADD to the Bible things not there. Notice that the Law is also paramount to this New Covenant. But notice also with WHOM God has made this New Covenant with: The House of Israel and the House of Judah.
Since non-Hebrew Gentiles were never included in the Mosaic Covenant, they were never included in the atonement provided by Jesus Christ.
Christ came to fulfill; NOT ADD Gentiles to His redemption of the Hebrew people. And that's what you do. You ADD Gentiles where there are NO GENTILES mentioned. If you're going to claim Gentiles are part of Jesus' atonement on His cross, then you made Jesus into someone who didn't come to fulfill, but to ADD, and in doing so make Jesus the destroyer of God's Law, something that is impossible for Him to do.
Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not destroy it. And any change to the Law such as the ADDING of Gentiles is a false doctrine that has continued for nearly 2000 years. It also makes Jesus then destroyer of God's Law. Gentiles were never atoned yearly on Israel's holiest day, Yom Kippur, nor were they atoned by Jesus' sacrifice. And THAT is the truth of what Jesus came to do. He came as Promised by God to the Hebrew nation as a "Prophet like unto Moses." There is a disconnect in your belief system when you quote from the New Covenant writings and completely ignore the Old Testament upon which God has assigned His salvation of the Hebrew people. The very name of Jesus is a nod to His mission, and that is the salvation of the Hebrew people under the Law of Moses.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Matthew 1:21.
His people are the children of Israel, the Jews. Gentiles are excluded. And as I tried many, many times before in bringing this to your attention, you reject the Word of God in order to maintain your delusion that Gentiles were included in that redemption that Jesus was sent to accomplish. Gentiles were never included in any of God's covenants. There are no Gentiles in the Abrahamic Covenant, there are no Gentiles included in the Mosaic Covenant, and finally, there are no Gentiles included in the New Covenant.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:27–34.
It says, "House of Israel" and "House of Judah." There are no Gentiles mentioned. So, by ADDING Gentiles to this Hebrew covenant is ADDING to the Bible things that are just not there. I think God is very clear on this point. God has truly sent a delusion upon the non-Hebrew peoples of the world, and it is a strong delusion. I seriously doubt you and the others of your ilk are able to extricate yourselves from this damning delusion. Jeremiah's prophecy of a New Covenant doesn't include Gentiles. And that is the bottom line here.
jeremiah1five
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The same method available to Saul, Peter, James, John, and the others who searched the Old Testament in order to make sense of what the Holy Spirit was doing in Israel and outside its borders.
Jesus explicitly taught that non-Jews would experience salvation, demonstrating this conviction through both his actions and his direct statements.
When a Roman centurion displayed remarkable faith, Jesus marveled and declared that many would “come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,” while those expecting inclusion would be “cast out into the outer darkness.” (Matt 8:5–13) Similarly, when a Canaanite woman persistently sought healing for her daughter, Jesus initially stated he was “sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel,” yet ultimately healed her daughter, affirming her “great faith.” (Matt 15:21–28) These encounters reveal Jesus moving beyond initial ethnic boundaries to embrace outsiders based on their faith.
Jesus repeatedly hinted that his salvation message held universal scope, predicting that outsiders from all directions would gather for the kingdom’s feast while many in Israel would be excluded—a messianic banquet extending beyond Israel alone to all who submitted in faith to God’s call.1 He also spoke of possessing “other sheep, which are not of this fold,” indicating these would “hear My voice” and “become one flock with one shepherd.” (John 10:16)
Jesus aligned himself with the prophetic tradition affirming not the subjection of nations but their salvation, understanding that Israel’s restoration would bring a “light of revelation” to the Gentiles through whom all humanity would experience God’s salvation.1 His explicit teaching on gentile salvation became evident when, observing the centurion’s faith—a “great faith” unmatched in Israel—Jesus declared the inclusion of many from distant lands in the kingdom.2
The remaining passages emphasize the universal scope of this salvific vision: Jesus commissioned his disciples to “make disciples of all the nations,” (Matt 28:18–20) instructing them that “repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations,” (Luke 24:45–47) and declaring that his exaltation would “draw all men” to himself. (John 12:32)
- 1
Mark L. Strauss, Four Portraits, One Jesus: A Survey of Jesus and the Gospels (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2007), 478–479. - 2
Robert L. Saucy, The Case for Progressive Dispensationalism: The Interface Between Dispensational & Non-Dispensational Theology (Zondervan, 1993), 129.
Scripture
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:11–22 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Rom 10:12–13 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Col 3:11 a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Rom 3:29–30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Acts 15:7–11 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Eph 2:11–22 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Gal 3:26–29 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
Rom 11:11–24 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be! But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if somehow I might move to jealousy my fellow countrymen and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in…
Acts 15:7–11 After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Eph 3:4–6 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel,
And it is through faith
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 3:22–24 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
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jeremiah1five
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Actually, He didn't. Post the Scripture, please.
The centurion was mixed-race. The Canaanite woman was also mixed-race. Gentiles were not aware of the Hebrew Scripture that identified Jesus as Messiah, Lord, and King. Gentiles served false gods of stone, wood, etc.
Those that would come from the west, east, etc., are Jews and mixed-race Jews according to the prophecies:
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Ezekiel 36:24.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:9.
God scattered His people to the four 'corners' of earth. He also promised to bring them back home.
If Gentiles were never under the Law, then they were never under Christ.
Christ came to fulfill the Law NOT ADD GENTILES.
Sorry, but your re-interpretations of the Bibel favoring Gentile salvation has no Biblical support.
Jesus died under the Law in fulfillment of the Law and it never included Gentiles. This is what Saul knew as rabbi and Pharisee and he never tried to "save" Gentiles because he knew Gentiles were never under the atonement of God:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.
If Gentiles were ever a part of God's salvation he would have said so here in the passage above.
But HE DIDN'T.
jeremiah1five
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Provide the Scripture from the Pentateuch (the Law) where God added Gentiles to be atoned by the animal sacrifice.
You can't because no such passage exists. The only people atoned by Christ are the Hebrew people. They were under the Law and when Christ came, He died in place of the animal to atone the sins of Israel.
There you go again ignoring Christ as the atonement for all.
1 Tim 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
Rom 5:18 So then, as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
2 Cor 5:19, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
1 John 2:2 (NASB 95)—2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
And God's promise
Rom 4:13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Gen 12:1–3 Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father’s house, To the land which I will show you; And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”
Gen 17:4–8 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a multitude of nations. “No longer shall your name be called Abram, But your name shall be Abraham; For I will make you the father of a multitude of nations. “I have made you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you. I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you. I will give to you and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Gen 22:17–18 indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”
Gal 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
Gen 28:13–14 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said, “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie, I will give it to you and to your descendants. Your descendants will also be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south; and in you and in your descendants shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
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