Responsibilities to God and His Christ
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jeremiah1five
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Show me the Scripture truth that the animal sacrifices made under the Law to temporarily atone the sins of the children of Israel for one year included non-Abrahamic peoples (Gentiles.)
jeremiah1five
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On the contrary, I establish the Savior of the Hebrew people.
You want to add non-Abrahamic peoples (Gentiles) to the Law God gave to the children of Israel and the sacrifices established to foretell the eventual coming of the One who would die finally and eternally for the Hebrew people: Jesus the Christ.
TibiasDad
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1John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Acts 9:15But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
Acts 10:34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
Acts 11:1The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God
Rom 11:Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,…
The gospel is for all people “to the Jew first, and then the Gentiles” (Rom 2:10).
Doug
jeremiah1five
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The New Covenant writings are only explanation, discussion, and revelation, and for the most part, fulfillment of what is written in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets.
jeremiah1five
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If you take out your Gentiles from the equation and read the Scripture the way it was written and to WHOM it was written then you will see the truth. As long as you add Gentiles to Israel's inheritance you will end up in error.
Um, in case you forgot, Christ died for all the people of the world.
2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
1 Tim 2:3–6 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16–17 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
If you are depending on animals for your salvation today, you are in a sorrowful position.
Acts 10:34–35Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.
Gal 3:28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Rom 10:12–13For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Eph 2:11–22Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Acts 15:7–11After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Rom 3:29–30Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
Col 3:11a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
Acts 11:18When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Indeed, as he looks to animals sacrificed in the Old Testament.
FreeInChrist
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You error is your lack of understanding the written word.
One of the strongest passages in the Hebrew Scriptures showing that God intended Gentiles (non-Israelites) to be included is in the Book of Isaiah. This is powerful because it appears centuries before Christianity or Constantine.
The Passage
Book of Isaiah
“Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,
to minister to Him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to be His servants…
these I will bring to My holy mountain
and make them joyful in My house of prayer…
for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.
The Lord GOD who gathers the outcasts of Israel says,
‘I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered.’”
Now I could and will upon request give you an explanation, but as you will not heed what I write I'll wait.
Just know that this passage is very strong because.... It shows that God’s plan already included Gentiles long before Christianity.
This means the idea that Gentiles are part of God’s salvation cannot come from Constantine, because
the text was written around 700 years before Christ and it was part of the Hebrew prophetic tradition
Have you forgotten or have you never read..........................
In the Gospel of Mark 11:17, Jesus Christ quotes this exact verse when cleansing the temple,
“My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
Jesus was affirming Isaiah’s prophecy, not inventing a new idea.
Briefly what this means is.....
The idea that Gentiles were added later by Constantine doesn't fit the Hebrew Scriptures.
In Isaiah 56:6-8 God says foreigners who join themselves to Him will be brought to His holy mountain and that His house will be a house of prayer for all peoples.
God even says He will gather “others” besides the outcasts of Israel.
That prophecy existed centuries before Christianity or Constantine, so the inclusion of Gentiles is already part of the biblical text itself.
TibiasDad
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Then Paul wasted his time, and the Lord didn’t know what he was doing when he stopped him on the road to Damascus!
Doug
TibiasDad
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They are also an expansion of the OT, that’s why it is New! It is dynamically different because the temporary solutions of the OT are replaced with permanent solutions which can redeem all of God’s creation!
Doug
jeremiah1five
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You are adding to the Bible.
There is nothing under the Law and under the Ceremonial Law that says the animal sacrifice was made for Gentiles.
The sacrifices were to atone the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. NOT Gentiles.
jeremiah1five
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You are still adding to the Bible.
Under the Law the animal sacrifices were to atone, albeit temporarily, the sins of the children of Israel. Adding Gentiles after this fact is adding to the Bible. You violate simple interpretation in order to violate the Word of God with your false theology.
jeremiah1five
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The Bible does not hold to your belief.
Saul was called and sent to Gentiles and into Gentile land because that's where the majority of all Jews lived due to the Diaspora. They knew nothing about God sending His Messiah and it was important to God to let His people know that He had kept His Promise and the Prophet like unto Moses was sent, departed, and will come again.
jeremiah1five
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The New Covenant writings is only explanation, discussion, and teaching of the fulfillment of many prophecies in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets. For one, Joel prophesied that God had promised His Spirit to Israel. One needs the Spirit to be born-again and only Israel was Promised His Spirit.
You can't find any prophecy or promise by Israel's prophets that God promised His Spirit to Gentiles. No Spirit, no salvation/conversion.
Gentiles got nothing coming to them of God.
This is God's attitude against Gentiles.
17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.
Nothing!
Sorry, I quoted the Bible, and you ignore it, and that includes the Old Testament as well.
Ps 22:27–28 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. For the kingdom is the Lord’s And He rules over the nations.
Ps 86:9 All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord, And they shall glorify Your name.
Isa 49:6 He says, “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Isa 2:2–3 Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts.
Isa 66:18–19 “For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations.
Dan 7:14 “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
Isa 56:7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar; For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Zech 8:20–23 “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘It will yet be that peoples will come, even the inhabitants of many cities. The inhabitants of one will go to another, saying, “Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I will also go.” So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the Lord.’ “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” ’ ”
Isa 25:6–8 The Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord God will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the Lord has spoken.
Ps 67 God be gracious to us and bless us, And cause His face to shine upon us— Selah. That Your way may be known on the earth, Your salvation among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You. Let the nations be glad and sing for joy; For You will judge the peoples with uprightness And guide the nations on the earth. Selah. Let the peoples praise You, O God; Let all the peoples praise You. The earth has yielded its produce; God, our God, blesses us. God blesses us, That all the ends of the earth may fear Him.
Even more, may I post, but sadly, your thinking is severely distorted, ignoring much scripture.
TibiasDad
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Acts 11:
1The apostles and the believers throughout Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. 2So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him 3and said, “You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them.”
4Starting from the beginning, Peter told them the whole story: 5“I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. 6I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles and birds. 7Then I heard a voice telling me, ‘Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.’
8“I replied, ‘Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
9“The voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’ 10This happened three times, and then it was all pulled up to heaven again.
11“Right then three men who had been sent to me from Caesarea stopped at the house where I was staying. 12The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. These six brothers also went with me, and we entered the man’s house. 13He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.’
15“As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”
18When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
Doug
FreeInChrist
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If you would study in stead of being such a blatherskite you would know no one here adds to the Holy Words. Quoting explanations are not additions and mor then footnote in many translations are. Many need guidance... and you are chief among them.
TibiasDad
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jeremiah1five
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You are adding to the Bible.
There is nothing under the Law and under the Ceremonial Law that says the animal sacrifice was made for Gentiles.
The sacrifices were to atone the sins of the children of Israel under the Law. NOT Gentiles.
To add Gentiles after the fact is to add to the Bible things not there in the text.
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