TibiasDad
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A earthly king always had a herald that went ahead of him, with the sounding a trumpet declaring he was approaching so that his subjects might make way for him by clearing the road.
Doug
Proof Jesus is Michael
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Doug
The trumpet sounded at Rev 6:2=the war in heaven(white horse = righteous war) Michael took that ride, but he receives his crown= Jesus. Thus Michael is Jesus. Rev 12 explains the war in heaven( white horse ride) and the birth of Gods kingdom( Jesus getting the crown)=Rev 6:2). That ride continues here at Rev 19:11-21--It ends here at Rev 21:1( Gods kingdom in full control of all creation, all back to perfection)--Thus Jesus did this-1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and subjects himself)))= forever---Fact= God is in subjection to no one.
By the prophecy found in Daniel 4 of when the next king sits on the throne( Jesus)= 1914-- That is how Charles T. Russell could say in the July 1879 Zions watchtower magazine--Rev 6:4-Peace will be taken from the Earth in1914=ww1 because satan was cast to the Earth, he came angry knowing his time was short. Millions upon millions died all over the Earth after the war from things mentioned of the other 3 riders. C.T.Russell was correct. Jesus is Michael. It is his voice at 1Thess 4:16)
TibiasDad
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Rev 6:2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
There is no mention of war anywhere, much less in heaven.
A white horse is symbolic of a righteous rider on a righteous quest.
It doesn’t say who the rider is. So it definitely doesn’t say Michael is the rider.
Rev12:7Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
The dragon is Satan, and this war is in eternity past before Adam and Eve.
8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
They are no longer dwelling in “heaven” where God lives, but are cast out of heaven down to earth, where he becomes “the prince of the power of the air” (Eph 2:2) and seeks his revenge on God’s creation in the garden.
This is where the “ride” begins, and it is Jesus Christ who rides the horse. It is not Michael-he is not even mentioned, and this conquest is on the earth, not in heaven, and is the battle of Armageddon, the final battle against all evil.
Rev 19:
11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
I’ll comment on the rest of your post later…
Doug
White horse = righteous war. Jesus is shown on the continuation of that ride of the white horse at Armageddon-Rev 19:11-21
Rev 12 explains both-The war in heaven= ride of the white horse-the birth of Gods kingdom=he receives his crown. Both explained together because rev 6:2 is those events.
TibiasDad
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26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
I assume you have , or have had a human boss. In your humanity you are equal, but in your role as an employee your superior is above you and you submit to their authority.
There is a hierarchy within those who are God in nature of being. They are all the same God, and are indistinguishable from each other as far as their being goes. But their roles in relation to mankind and the rest of creation, there is a hierarchy to which we can relate and understand.
In eternity past, before the creation of our universe, there was no need for such a hierarchy, for they were all that existed.
Because of sin, the need for hierarchy became more pronounced with man the head of woman and God the head of man. Man’s perspective of reality has hierarchy throughout it, and this includes his view of God. (Even in pagan mythology the gods have hierarchy) and the NT defines the triune nature of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and a hierarchy is used to express this triune being to mankind. A Father, especially in Biblical times, is always the supreme authority, and the Son is second in command, and the presumed heir of the father’s authority over all their affairs.
The Father gave the Son his authority to do what the Father wanted him to do. At the completion of his work, he will give his authority back to the Father who will resume being the supreme authority. (Not that the Father was really ever without power or authority, but Jesus was his envoy and had to represent the Father with the Father’s authority to do so. Once he was finished, he no longer needed that authority.)
Doug
TibiasDad
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26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
I assume you have , or have had a human boss. In your humanity you are equal, but in your role as an employee your superior is above you and you submit to their authority.
There is a hierarchy within those who are God in nature of being. They are all the same God, and are indistinguishable from each other as far as their being goes. But their roles in relation to mankind and the rest of creation, there is a hierarchy to which we can relate and understand.
In eternity past, before the creation of our universe, there was no need for such a hierarchy, for they were all that existed.
Because of sin, the need for hierarchy became more pronounced with man the head of woman and God the head of man. Man’s perspective of reality has hierarchy throughout it, and this includes his view of God. (Even in pagan mythology the gods have hierarchy) and the NT defines the triune nature of God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and a hierarchy is used to express this triune being to mankind. A Father, especially in Biblical times, is always the supreme authority, and the Son is second in command, and the presumed heir of the father’s authority over all their affairs.
The Father gave the Son his authority to do what the Father wanted him to do. At the completion of his work, he will give his authority back to the Father who will resume being the supreme authority. (Not that the Father was really ever without power or authority, but Jesus was his envoy and had to represent the Father with the Father’s authority to do so. Once he was finished, he no longer needed that authority.)
Doug
