Proof Jesus is Michael

[Keiw1]

Rev 6:2-White horse( righteous war) begins here= the war in Heaven=Michael took that ride, defeated satan and his angels and cast them to the Earth. Notice-He receives his crown( birth of Gods kingdom in heaven) Only Jesus is getting the crown. Rev 12 explains both of those events.
The booting of satan out of heaven, that Michael did= the bruising of satans head=Jesus is foretold to do that.
1Thess 4:16( occurs at Rev 6:2)-Upon Jesus return( presence) he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing the ride of the white horse) and with the voice of the archangel( HOW? Does he borrow Michaels voice or reality= it is his voice)
Rev 19:11--Jesus on the white horse= the continuation of the ride that began at Rev 6:2--It does not end until all things are made back to perfection and this is reality( Rev 21:1)-Then this occurred= 1Cor 15:24-28= Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself( = forever)

No Scholar on Earth can un explain these facts because its bible truth. The only defense i have ever seen out of any is-No he isn't. Which explains 0.

 

[atpollard]

Jude 1:9 [NASB] But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him an abusive judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Michael, the Archangel, wages war with the dragon and his forces, but steps aside to allow the LORD to defeat Satan (because the LORD is the only one that can). “Who is the LORD?”, you might ask, it is not Michael, but John 1 explains it clearly:

John 1:1-5, 14-18 [NASB]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it. ... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only [Son] from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified about Him and called out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who is coming after me has proved to be my superior, because He existed before me.'" For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; God the only [Son,] who is in the arms of the Father, He has explained [Him.]

 

[Keiw1]

Jude 1:9 [NASB] But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him an abusive judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Michael, the Archangel, wages war with the dragon and his forces, but steps aside to allow the LORD to defeat Satan (because the LORD is the only one that can). “Who is the LORD?”, you might ask, it is not Michael, but John 1 explains it clearly:

John 1:1-5, 14-18 [NASB]
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it. ... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only [Son] from the Father, full of grace and truth. John testified about Him and called out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, 'He who is coming after me has proved to be my superior, because He existed before me.'" For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; God the only [Son,] who is in the arms of the Father, He has explained [Him.]

It wasn't time for Michael to go against satan over the Moses dispute. Yet he kicks satans *** in the war in heaven when it was time. He threw satan and his angls to the vicinity of the Earth, never allowed back into heaven= the bruising of satans head=Jesus was foretold to do that, proving Michael is Jesus.
The Word is NOT called capitol G God at John 1:1 in Greek. Catholicism put the capitol G God at John 1:1 to fit false council teachings by satans will to mislead, It has mislead billions over the centuries.

 

[atpollard]

It wasn't time for Michael to go against satan over the Moses dispute. Yet he kicks satans *** in the war in heaven when it was time. He threw satan and his angls to the vicinity of the Earth, never allowed back into heaven= the bruising of satans head=Jesus was foretold to do that, proving Michael is Jesus.
The Word is NOT called capitol G God at John 1:1 in Greek. Catholicism put the capitol G God at John 1:1 to fit false council teachings by satans will to mislead, It has mislead billions over the centuries.

Specific verse, please.

I have no interest in debating over vague opinions. I prefer to discuss specific scripture in context.
Where does Michael “kick satans *** in war”?

 

[synergy]

Rev 6:2-White horse( righteous war) begins here= the war in Heaven=Michael took that ride, defeated satan and his angels and cast them to the Earth. Notice-He receives his crown( birth of Gods kingdom in heaven) Only Jesus is getting the crown. Rev 12 explains both of those events.
The booting of satan out of heaven, that Michael did= the bruising of satans head=Jesus is foretold to do that.
1Thess 4:16( occurs at Rev 6:2)-Upon Jesus return( presence) he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing the ride of the white horse) and with the voice of the archangel( HOW? Does he borrow Michaels voice or reality= it is his voice)
Rev 19:11--Jesus on the white horse= the continuation of the ride that began at Rev 6:2--It does not end until all things are made back to perfection and this is reality( Rev 21:1)-Then this occurred= 1Cor 15:24-28= Jesus must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself( = forever)

Your heresies collapse because you incorrectly conflate roles, symbols, and titles that Scripture keeps distinct. For example, in Revelation 6:2 the white horse is symbolic of conquest and authority, but the rider is never identified as Michael, whereas Revelation 19:11–16 explicitly names the white-horse rider as Jesus with divine titles (“Word of God,” “King of kings”) that no angel ever bears. Revelation 12 shows Michael waging a delegated angelic battle, while Scripture elsewhere attributes the decisive crushing of Satan not to an angel but to Christ alone (Gen 3:15 fulfilled through the cross and resurrection), meaning the events are related but not identical nor interchangeable. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 does not say Jesus is the archangel but that He comes with the voice of an archangel—just as He comes with the trumpet of God—indicating accompaniment, not identity. Finally, 1 Corinthians 15:24–28 teaches that the Son hands the kingdom to the Father as the incarnate Messiah, not as a creature, preserving eternal divine sonship while completing redemptive mission, whereas angels neither receive messianic crowns nor reign universally (Heb 1). Therefore, Jesus cannot be Michael without merging together the Creator vs creature distinction that Scripture maintains throughout.

 

[Keiw1]

Specific verse, please.

I have no interest in debating over vague opinions. I prefer to discuss specific scripture in context.
Where does Michael “kick satans *** in war”?

Rev 12:7-9-- not opinion, FACT. Rev 6:2 is that ride of the white horse( righteous war) and the birth of Gods kingdom-rev 12 explains both

 

[Keiw1]

Your heresies collapse because you incorrectly conflate roles, symbols, and titles that Scripture keeps distinct. For example, in Revelation 6:2 the white horse is symbolic of conquest and authority, but the rider is never identified as Michael, whereas Revelation 19:11–16 explicitly names the white-horse rider as Jesus with divine titles (“Word of God,” “King of kings”) that no angel ever bears. Revelation 12 shows Michael waging a delegated angelic battle, while Scripture elsewhere attributes the decisive crushing of Satan not to an angel but to Christ alone (Gen 3:15 fulfilled through the cross and resurrection), meaning the events are related but not identical nor interchangeable. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 does not say Jesus is the archangel but that He comes with the voice of an archangel—just as He comes with the trumpet of God—indicating accompaniment, not identity. Finally, 1 Corinthians 15:24–28 teaches that the Son hands the kingdom to the Father as the incarnate Messiah, not as a creature, preserving eternal divine sonship while completing redemptive mission, whereas angels neither receive messianic crowns nor reign universally (Heb 1). Therefore, Jesus cannot be Michael without merging together the Creator vs creature distinction that Scripture maintains throughout.

The darkness has no clue Jesus is Michael. Tell us all then if i am in error-1Thess 4:16--does Michael loan Jesus his voice or does that voice belong to Jesus? Reality-none can loan their voice to another.
Jesus was created-direct-first and last( Prov 8:22)=only begotten son=the firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15-16)--The darkness twists all that truth because it exposes them.

 

[atpollard]

Rev 12:7-9-- not opinion, FACT. Rev 6:2 is that ride of the white horse( righteous war) and the birth of Gods kingdom-rev 12 explains both

Revelation 12:7-10 [NASB]
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers [and sisters] has been thrown down, the one who accuses them before our God day and night.

1. It says Michael “waged war”, it does not actually say that Michael defeated Satan (the dragon).
2. It says that Satan “did not prevail”.
3. If we are to accept your claim that Michael defeated Satan, then verse 10 provides “Michael” with credit for the “kingdom” and “power” of GOD and the “salvation” of man … that makes Michael equal to God! You have not solved the problem of the Trinity, you have just replaced Jesus with Michael as the second GOD.

It seems far more honest to the scripture to acknowledge that Michael wages war with Satan and Jesus (God incarnate) defeats Satan at the cross. Michael is not Jesus, but Jesus is God.

 

[synergy]

The darkness has no clue Jesus is Michael. Tell us all then if i am in error-1Thess 4:16--does Michael loan Jesus his voice or does that voice belong to Jesus? Reality-none can loan their voice to another.
Jesus was created-direct-first and last( Prov 8:22)=only begotten son=the firstborn of all creation( Col 1:15-16)--The darkness twists all that truth because it exposes them.

Of course you are in error. I already told you that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 does not say Jesus is the archangel but that He comes with the voice of an archangel—just as He comes with the trumpet of God—indicating accompaniment, not identity. Do I have to keep repeating myself?

 

[Keiw1]

Revelation 12:7-10 [NASB]
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they did not prevail, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers [and sisters] has been thrown down, the one who accuses them before our God day and night.

1. It says Michael “waged war”, it does not actually say that Michael defeated Satan (the dragon).
2. It says that Satan “did not prevail”.
3. If we are to accept your claim that Michael defeated Satan, then verse 10 provides “Michael” with credit for the “kingdom” and “power” of GOD and the “salvation” of man … that makes Michael equal to God! You have not solved the problem of the Trinity, you have just replaced Jesus with Michael as the second GOD.

It seems far more honest to the scripture to acknowledge that Michael wages war with Satan and Jesus (God incarnate) defeats Satan at the cross. Michael is not Jesus, but Jesus is God.

Get real -Satan lost, it was the bruising of his head-Jesus was foretold to do that. proving he is Michael. Its the only way he can come with the archangels voice because its his voice-1Thess 4:16)--Stop listening to the darkness-99% of all religions claiming to be Christian=darkness. All listening to them will lose.

 

[Keiw1]

Of course you are in error. I already told you that 1 Thessalonians 4:16 does not say Jesus is the archangel but that He comes with the voice of an archangel—just as He comes with the trumpet of God—indicating accompaniment, not identity. Do I have to keep repeating myself?

My words are fact. Yours are darkness sir.

 

[atpollard]

Stop listening to the darkness-99% of all religions claiming to be Christian=darkness. All listening to them will lose.

My words are fact. Yours are darkness sir.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! - Isaiah 5:20 [NASB]

• “before Abraham was born, I am.” - John 8:58
• “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28
• But regarding the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER” - Hebrews 1:8
• “our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus” - Titus 2:13

 

[synergy]

My words are fact. Yours are darkness sir.

Your total inability to offer any possible counterargument proves that JW beliefs are sheer heresy.

 

[Keiw1]

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! - Isaiah 5:20 [NASB]

• “before Abraham was born, I am.” - John 8:58
• “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28
• But regarding the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER” - Hebrews 1:8
• “our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus” - Titus 2:13

Your problem is-that in Hebrew there is no OT statement- i am that i am--It translates-I will be what i will be.
Your last 2 are Catholicism translating errors to fit false council teachings. It was Catholicism who put i am that i am in the OT as well.
Thomas was an Israelite. Every Israelite knew 100% the Messiah has a God( Psalm 45:7), thus would not call him God. He must have looked to heaven when he said my God, there is no other explanation. You see sir, all who can understand English for self at John 3:16-sees 100% God sent another= God did not come down here.

 

[dwight92070]

Mark 7:19 Mark says, "Thus He declared all foods clean."

Some have said that this verse tells us that Jesus was doing away with the clean/unclean designation of animals, and that He is saying that it is now okay to eat unclean animals. But look at this next verse.

Luke 11:11-13 "Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

So if all animals are now clean, then a father could offer his son a snake or a scorpion, and that would be just fine. After all, they're all clean. Notice Jesus clearly implies that a snake or a scorpion would not be something good to eat for the father's son. Why not? Apparently they are still unclean animals

Notice Mark does not say that Jesus declared all animals clean. Rather He declared all foods clean. Snakes and scorpions are not considered foods - they are not considered edible animals.

What about Peter's vision in Acts 10:10-14? Didn't God tell Peter through his vision, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."- referring to the unclean animals and crawling creatures and birds that God told Peter to kill and eat?

But was God referring literally to unclean animals, saying that it was now okay to eat them?

No, He was speaking symbolically of the Gentiles, that Peter could now not only associate with them, but even preach the gospel to them, which is exactly how Peter took the vision. Acts 10:28 The Jews considered the Gentiles to be unholy and unclean, but God said to no longer do that.

So we are not under the Law of Moses, but I believe that Leviticus 11 is still God's wisdom and direction as to what He considers edible and non-edible. Obviously each person must follow his conscience in such matters. Romans 14

 

[Keiw1]

Mark 7:19 Mark says, "Thus He declared all foods clean."

Some have said that this verse tells us that Jesus was doing away with the clean/unclean designation of animals, and that He is saying that it is now okay to eat unclean animals. But look at this next verse.

Luke 11:11-13 "Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

So if all animals are now clean, then a father could offer his son a snake or a scorpion, and that would be just fine. After all, they're all clean. Notice Jesus clearly implies that a snake or a scorpion would not be something good to eat for the father's son. Why not? Apparently they are still unclean animals

Notice Mark does not say that Jesus declared all animals clean. Rather He declared all foods clean. Snakes and scorpions are not considered foods - they are not considered edible animals.

What about Peter's vision in Acts 10:10-14? Didn't God tell Peter through his vision, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."- referring to the unclean animals and crawling creatures and birds that God told Peter to kill and eat?

But was God referring literally to unclean animals, saying that it was now okay to eat them?

No, He was speaking symbolically of the Gentiles, that Peter could now not only associate with them, but even preach the gospel to them, which is exactly how Peter took the vision. Acts 10:28 The Jews considered the Gentiles to be unholy and unclean, but God said to no longer do that.

So we are not under the Law of Moses, but I believe that Leviticus 11 is still God's wisdom and direction as to what He considers edible and non-edible. Obviously each person must follow his conscience in such matters. Romans 14

The law was nailed to the death device Jesus died on. Colossians 2:14)-- Try stoning one to death for being unrepentant, see where that Leviticus law gets you.

 

[dwight92070]

That makes no sense.

 

[Keiw1]

That makes no sense.

The Mosaic laws were done away with, otherwise one must stone to death the unrepentant. That was Gods law in OT. Ones own family members had to partake of that stoning of one as well.

 

[dwight92070]

Okay, now I get it. I agree that the laws were done away with and that we are not under them. Of course, as a Gentile, I was never under them to begin with.
But Jesus and the apostles quoted the Old Testament several times. One of His quotes was "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." So that means that even though we are not obligated to keep the Law of Moses, in some way all of the words of God in the law can still bring us life - no, not eternal life, but they often give us insight into the heart of God.
Paul said, "All scripture is inspired by God - (including the Law of Moses) - and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

What we eat is our choice, of course. I just happen to think that God's list of clean and unclean animals is the best guide for what I should eat today. Again, Romans 14 gives me that freedom.