Pope says people are good

Dogs are good, mans to best friend. I've never had a bad one. Evidence suggests that attachment to pets is good for human health and even helps build a better community. It's no secret that pets can contribute to your happiness. Studies show that dogs reduce stress, anxiety and depression; ease loneliness; encourage exercise and improve your overall health.

Dogs are also a very good judge of character. Here's some information for you. There's only one breed of dog mentioned in the bible.

There are three things which are stately in their march, Yea, four which are stately in going: The lion, which is mightiest among beasts, And turneth not away for any; The greyhound; the he-goat also; And the king against whom there is no rising up. Proverbs 30:29-31
The KJV, the NKJV, the ASV, the Webster's Bible, the New Heart English Bible, and the JPS Tanakh 1917 translations say greyhound. All the other translations listed in BibleHub.com say "the rooster".
The actual word used is

זַרְזִ֣יר (zar·zîr)
Noun - masculine singular construct
Strong's 2223: Tightly girt, a racer, some fleet animal.

Brown-Driver-Briggs
זַרְזִיר adjective girded, girt (compare BaNB 206) — only construct Proverbs 30:31 זַרְזִיר מָתְנַיִם אוֺתָֿ֑יִו that which is girt in the loins, etc., named with lion, he-goat, and king, as stately in motion. Perhaps = grey-hound Ew Bö De and others, or war-horse Bo Ges Hi and others; Vrss. cock, Talmud raven, see De Now (Late Hebrew זַרְזִיר starling (war-horse only in interpretation of Proverbs 30:31), Aramaic
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starling, in Arabic
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, perhaps loan-word Others derive from a √זרר, see above)
זַרְזִיר Proverbs 30:31 see below III. זוּר.
 
Wrong I used scripture to form my doctrine

It would be you who is using doctrine to interpret scripture As I showed scripture does not support you
I used Romans 9 scripture to form my doctrine. I don't try to force Jeremiah to mirror Romans 9. They're both metaphors.
 
I used Romans 9 scripture to form my doctrine. I don't try to force Jeremiah to mirror Romans 9. They're both metaphors.
Its the same one the potter and the clay vessels.

The Potter and the Clay- the context of Romans 9.

Jeremiah 18 RSV- the reformed/calvinist translation :)

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord: 2 “Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will let you hear my words.” 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and there he was working at his wheel. 4 And the vessel he was making of clay was spoiled in the potter’s hand, and he reworked it into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to do.

1- who spoiled the clay ?

It was the clay,not the potter. The clay was spoiled in the hands of the potter and the potter reworked it into another vessel. This is the context which Paul uses in Romans 9.

Romans 9- Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for beauty and another for menial use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for the vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hose′a,

“Those who were not my people
I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved
I will call ‘my beloved.’”
26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

Romans 9 has the elect Jews who are the vessels of destruction and the gentiles as the ones of mercy who were not Gods elect. Through their own rebellion God has called a people who were not His people, the children of God. The potter/clay refutes Calvinism, not supports it. The harden self righteous Jews were rejected by God with a seared conscience. Their rebellion caused a good purpose - the grafting in of the Gentiles.

Jeremiah 18
Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6 He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7 If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8 and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10 and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.


In Romans 9 its the hardened Jew/reprobate is whom Paul prays for in their temporary hardening until all the gentiles are grafted into the branch. The potter/clay is God using the hardened Jews- His elect,chosen people ( destruction ) to bring in non elect vessels of glory ( gentiles) their salvation. The potter/clay is another analogy that contradicts calvinism, not support it. Once the glasses/lens are removed one can see the passages in their greater biblical context and harmonize them.

There are no chapters/verses in the original Greek- so here is the context below which reveals the flaws in Calvinism's soteriology.

Romans 9:30–32 - What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,

Romans 10:18–21- But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” 19 But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, “I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry.” 20 Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, “I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.” 21 But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”

Romans 11:19–23-Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

conclusion: so much for the false teachings of unconditional election. it falls flat on its face from Scripture.

hope this helps !!!
 
People are good in that they have the potential to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.

What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of [earthborn] man that You care for him?
5 Yet You have made him but a little lower than God [or heavenly beings], and You have crowned him with glory and honor.
Ps 8:4–5

Pride is a terrible sin, and we are instructed in God’s Word not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought to. That doesn’t mean that we need to have a bad opinion of or look down on ourselves. It does mean that we are to remember that we are no better than anyone else and that whatever God has enabled us to do is a gift from Him.

Salvation is a gift from him, but in order to obtain it you have to accept it.
 
People are good in that they have the potential to accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.

What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of [earthborn] man that You care for him?
5 Yet You have made him but a little lower than God [or heavenly beings], and You have crowned him with glory and honor.
Ps 8:4–5

Pride is a terrible sin, and we are instructed in God’s Word not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought to. That doesn’t mean that we need to have a bad opinion of or look down on ourselves. It does mean that we are to remember that we are no better than anyone else and that whatever God has enabled us to do is a gift from Him.

Salvation is a gift from him, but in order to obtain it you have to accept it.
By faith :)
 
Amen precept upon precept.

not calvin/augustine imposed on scripture.
Yep, cognitive dissidence is quite strong in that one as he accuses others of doing what he does when it has been allowing scripture to interpret scripture which has been employed against his position
 
Yep, cognitive dissidence is quite strong in that one as he accuses others of doing what he does when it has been allowing scripture to interpret scripture which has been employed against his position
The passage in Jeremiah was situational, and simply happened to use a similar potter/clay metaphor as Romans 9.

The passage in Romans 9 is doctrinal.
 
The passage in Jeremiah was situational, and simply happened to use a similar potter/clay metaphor as Romans 9.

The passage in Romans 9 is doctrinal.
But what was the metaphor there for? Inquiring minds want to know.

I can see it all now, the scribes hunched over their tables quill in hand writing down scripture. And all of the sudden one pops his head up and says, "hey I'm all out of the scripture and I've got all this room left on this scroll."

One of his fellow scribes tells him just throw in a metaphor that's what I always do.
 
But what was the metaphor there for? Inquiring minds want to know.

I can see it all now, the scribes hunched over their tables quill in hand writing down scripture. And all of the sudden one pops his head up and says, "hey I'm all out of the scripture and I've got all this room left on this scroll."

One of his fellow scribes tells him just throw in a metaphor that's what I always do.
The metaphor is to declare that God is sovereign over man's affairs. He is the potter.
 
The passage in Jeremiah was situational, and simply happened to use a similar potter/clay metaphor as Romans 9.

The passage in Romans 9 is doctrinal.
Sorry Paul references the Potter and the clay in Romans 9 so why are you trying to avoid it?

Further we can see from

Romans 9:30–33 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 10:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Romans 11:19–23 (KJV 1900) — 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

The reason Israel failed to obtain righteousness has to do with Israel and not any unconditional decree of God.
 
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