101G
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GINOLJC, to all.The Holy Spirit Authored the Scripture and every word He used is on purpose and for a reason.
God says what He means, and God means what He says.
if so, then post the scripture where God the Spirit said, Abram was a HEBREW, he dose not, so don't put words in God mouth. NOW God did say this, Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect." Genesis 17:2 "And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly." Genesis 17:3 "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," Genesis 17:4 "As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations."
NOW LISTEN REAL GOOD, Genesis 17:5 "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee." Genesis 17:6 "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee."
now God just told us who Abram was and now is. Read Genesis 17:4 and 5 again.
STOP, God said Abram, and that name is no more, for God, God, God, said his NAME shall now be ABRAHAM, and God made him a father of MANY NATIONS. and do you KNOW what "Nations" means, it is the Hebrew term
H1471 גּוֹי gowy (go'-ee) n-m.
גֹּי goy (go'-ee) [shortened (rarely)]
1. a foreign nation.
2. (hence) a Gentile.
3. (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts.
[apparently from the same root as H1465 (in the sense of massing)]
KJV: Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
See also: H1465
Abraham is the father of MANY NATIONS, did you see definition #2. (hence) a Gentile
Abraham is GENTILE, did you get this?
now lets go to school,
ABRAM is so called by some man as a HEBREW.
ABRAHAM is Called by God the father of MANY NATIONS, which Nations here are GENTILE.
see the difference, ABRAM, ABRAHAM. now if you still want to go with ABRAM, then you're at a DEAD END, and in a DEAD COVENANT. for ABRAM, so called by men is NO MORE. and that name Abram is a DEAD END NAME, meaning .... CUT OFF. we suggest you and all your so called, Jews/Hebrews/Israelites', or what ever you want to call yourselves, come to the LIGHT/TRUTH. for in CHRIST "JESUS" there is neither Gentile, nor so called Jews/Hebrews/Israelites, or any Messianic Jews. listen, 1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." why? Galatians 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." who seed? Abram or Abraham. ........ (smile),
we all are "ONE" in Christ Jesus by the the ONE ETERNAL SPIRIT. so, the term Messianic Jews is nothing, if in Christ Jesus. 101G can only give you a suggestion, Messianic Christians maybe? ..... (smile), YIKES!
conclusion, that Genesis 14:13 verse you're banking on is obsolete for any Hebrews, just as the Name "Abram" is obsolete. the father of MANY.... NATIONS... UINCLUDING U Hebrews is ABRAHAM. so we suggest if you and your brothers want to be in the NEW COVENANT OF PROMISE, we suggest you drop your OLD way of being IGNORANT in being Abram offspring, and be ABRAHAM offspring, who is the father .... ACCORDING to GOD ALMIGHTY, the father of MANY NATIONS/GENTILES.... by FAITH....... (smile), Oh boy .... so that old way of thinking is OVER. Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." one can stay in Abram /man way or come to God in ABRAHAM in FAITH, in Spirit and TRUTH. GL.
101G.