Pentecost: A Turning Point For The Jewish People

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Imagine there is no New Testament. Imagine yourself in Jerusalem for the Feast of Harvest in the year 32 AD. Surrounded by fellow Jews, a commotion erupts. Tongues of fire appear, and a man speaks in languages you don't understand. This event, described in Acts 2, was a pivotal moment in history, the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the early followers of Jesus.

As a devout Jew, you might have initially interpreted this event through the lens of your own scriptures. The prophecy of Joel 2:32 about God pouring out His Spirit resonates deeply. You might have seen this as a fulfillment specifically for the Jewish people, a sign of God's presence on Mount Zion.

But something profound happens. You, along with thousands of others, experience a powerful change. Filled with the Holy Spirit, you are compelled to share your story. This newfound faith ignites a fire within you, spreading like wildfire as you return home and encounter others.

Searching the Scriptures

With only the Hebrew Scriptures as your guide, discussions turn to understanding these events. The concept of a "New Covenant" prophesied by Jeremiah and Isaiah takes hold. The possibility that Jesus of Nazareth, a figure some proclaimed as Messiah, might be central to this new era becomes a topic of intense discussion.

Change and Controversy

Lives are transformed. Relationships with God, worship practices, and obedience to the Law take on a deeper meaning. However, not everyone embraces this change. Some reject the idea of a crucified Messiah upon a tree, leading to skepticism and persecution.

A Movement Takes Root

Despite the challenges, this new expression of faith flourishes. Jewish followers of Jesus, initially labelled "Christians," gather in homes for fellowship and worship. The message spreads throughout the Roman Empire, challenging every Jewish community.

Saul, the Persecutor, Becomes Saul, the Proponent

One of the most vocal opponents, Saul, a prominent rabbi, undergoes a dramatic conversion. He disappears for years, then returns with a newfound understanding of Scripture and the role of Jesus within God's plan for Israel. His insights become instrumental in helping others grasp the significance of the New Covenant era for the Jewish people.

The Question Remains: Now What?

This is just the beginning of the story. The early Church, primarily composed of Jewish believers, grapples with its identity and mission. The tension between Jewish tradition and this new movement paves the way for fascinating theological discussions that continue to this day.

What can we learn from this?

This account highlights the transformative power of the Holy Spirit and the importance of searching the Scriptures for understanding. It also showcases the challenges and controversies that arise when established traditions encounter new interpretations of faith. The story of Pentecost serves as a reminder of the ongoing dialogue between faith and tradition, a dialogue that continues to shape Jewish Christianity today.

Everything that happened in Israel and throughout the Roman Empire occurred among the Jewish people. And, like us today, all they had was the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets that was a lamp to their feet and a light to their path towards understanding everything that happened to the Jews. There is no New Testament. But soon those most involved in leadership among the Jewish Christians communicate through writing correspondence and facts are laid out, guidance to the people is given, understanding from the Hebrew Scripture is developed and disseminated in these correspondences, letters written and maintained as leadership among the Jewish Christians attempt to unify their learnings into a solid core of doctrine to follow since they are still under the Law with a new perspective and deeper expression towards each other and towards the God of Abraham. But four decades later from Pentecost 32 AD the Roman army led by General Titus makes siege against Israel in general and Jerusalem specifically and in weeks the whole country destroyed, the Jewish Temple destroyed, and both Jews and Jewish Christians are scattered throughout the Empire as they flee for their lives.

Now what?
 
Now What?

'For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
.. lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
.... that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
...... the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
........ And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,
.......... There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,
............ and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
.............. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:
.. but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
.... For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
...... For as ye in times past have not believed God,
........ yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
.......... Even so have these also now not believed,
............ that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
.............. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief,
................ that He might have mercy upon all.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor?
Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things:
to whom be glory for ever. Amen.'

(Rom 11:25-36)

Praise God!
 
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Pentecost: A Turning Point For The Jewish People? no, but for "ALL PEOPLE" including all Israel. for the KINGDOM of GOD is for ALL PEOPLE.

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Pentecost: A Turning Point For The Jewish People? no, but for "ALL PEOPLE" including all Israel. for the KINGDOM of GOD is for ALL PEOPLE.

101G
Scripture cannot be broken.
Is there any evidence in the Hebrew Scripture that the high priest left Israel and went to Gentiles to pray for them and offer sacrifice for their sin? No, there isn't. Nor did Jesus Christ as the Paschal Lamb die for anyone outside the Law of Moses for in keeping with the Law of Moses, the Lamb of God was sacrificed to and for the children of Israel alone. Saul knew this and understood it which knowledge of the truth compelled him to write to Jewish Christians in Galatia the following biblical foundation:

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

There are no non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, and New.)
The purpose of Passover was instituted among the Hebrews, and it is they who are in covenant with God. They are the recipients of the promises of God to send a Deliverer to the children of Israel (Deut. 18:15, 18), and this He did in the Person of Jesus Christ, the King of the Jews.
 
Is there any evidence in the Hebrew Scripture that the high priest left Israel and went to Gentiles to pray for them and offer sacrifice for their sin? No, there isn't. Nor did Jesus Christ as the Paschal Lamb die for anyone outside the Law of Moses for in keeping with the Law of Moses, the Lamb of God was sacrificed to and for the children of Israel alone. Saul knew this and understood it which knowledge of the truth compelled him to write to Jewish Christians in Galatia the following biblical foundation:
well let's here what a natural Jew say about that. Listen and Learn. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

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well let's here what a natural Jew say about that. Listen and Learn. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

101G.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

Identify "ours" and then you can rightly understand the word "kosmos" translated "world." It refers to the children of Israel. That is because Scripture cannot be broken. And since the animal sacrifices atoned for the sins of the children of Israel, God sent His own Son as Lamb of God and He died to atone for the sins of the children of Israel in keeping with the Law and Command of God.
 
Identify "ours" and then you can rightly understand the word "kosmos" translated "world."
sure, LISTEN CAREFULLY, Acts 15:4 "And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them." Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses." Acts 15:6 "And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter." Acts 15:7 "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." Acts 15:8 "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;" Acts 15:9 "And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

who is the "US" and "THEM?" .......... (smile). Now Listen, ..... LISTEN, verse 11.... Acts 15:11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." this is just too easy not to be understood.

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sure, LISTEN CAREFULLY, Acts 15:4 "And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them." Acts 15:5 "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses." Acts 15:6 "And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter." Acts 15:7 "And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe." Acts 15:8 "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;" Acts 15:9 "And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith."

who is the "US" and "THEM?" .......... (smile). Now Listen, ..... LISTEN, verse 11.... Acts 15:11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." this is just too easy not to be understood.

101G.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

Gentiles - non-Hebrew Gentiles - were never under the Law and thus have no promises from God they can speak of.
 
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.

Gentiles - non-Hebrew Gentiles - were never under the Law and thus have no promises from God they can speak of.
LISTEN REAL GOOD, Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

why is that? answer, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" ............. HELLO.

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LISTEN REAL GOOD, Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)"

why is that? answer, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" ............. HELLO.

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You are so confused.
 
You are so confused.
if so, was not Job a gentile was declared righteous by God because he did the things that was contained in the Law you boast about? was he not keeping the feast day before Israel was a Nation. just as Moses father-in-law, Jethro, the priest of Midian a GENTILE ...... the priest of the MOST HIGH GOD. did he have the Law of Moses? no, for Moses was not yet commission by the Most High God yet. nor was the Law yet given by God. but these men was RIGHT in standing before God. and as a Matter of Fact Job was a SON OF GOD was well as his friends ... the men of the east.

so your Jewish law was a Johnny come lately for you to boast about.

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if so, was not Job a gentile was declared righteous by God because he did the things that was contained in the Law you boast about? was he not keeping the feast day before Israel was a Nation. just as Moses father-in-law, Jethro, the priest of Midian a GENTILE ...... the priest of the MOST HIGH GOD. did he have the Law of Moses? no, for Moses was not yet commission by the Most High God yet. nor was the Law yet given by God. but these men was RIGHT in standing before God. and as a Matter of Fact Job was a SON OF GOD was well as his friends ... the men of the east.

so your Jewish law was a Johnny come lately for you to boast about.

101G.
Job would have been of the seed of Eber who was obedient to God as was his descendants. If Job was a non-Hebrew Gentile, he would not be offering sacrifices or have remained steadfast in his trust and faith in God no matter his experiences were as recorded in Scripture. Job was blessed even as much as Abraham was.

Jethro was related to Eber, Shem, and Abraham through their shared ancestry.

Here's the breakdown:
  • Shem: Shem was one of Noah's sons, and he is an ancestor of all the sons of Eber.
  • Eber: Eber was a descendant of Shem and is considered the ancestor of the Hebrews.
  • Abraham: Abraham was a descendant of Eber, making him a distant relative of Jethro.
While the exact degree of their relationship is not explicitly stated in the Bible, it is clear that they share a common ancestor in Shem. So, your belief that Jethro was Gentile is in error.
 
if so, was not Job a gentile was declared righteous by God because he did the things that was contained in the Law you boast about? was he not keeping the feast day before Israel was a Nation. just as Moses father-in-law, Jethro, the priest of Midian a GENTILE ...... the priest of the MOST HIGH GOD. did he have the Law of Moses? no, for Moses was not yet commission by the Most High God yet. nor was the Law yet given by God. but these men was RIGHT in standing before God. and as a Matter of Fact Job was a SON OF GOD was well as his friends ... the men of the east.

so your Jewish law was a Johnny come lately for you to boast about.

101G.
yep

Galatians 3:17–18 (KJV 1900) — 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
 
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