praise_yeshua
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Define your view of Person for me.
I already know what that answer is. It is wrong. Don't get angry with me when I show it is wrong. Be bold about this. Stand for what you believe.
Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"
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Define your view of Person for me.
I already know what that answer is. It is wrong. Don't get angry with me when I show it is wrong. Be bold about this. Stand for what you believe.
101G
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praise_yeshua
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Before I do, can you elaborate on "soul"?
Just saying "soul" doesn't really answer anything meaningful of itself. Some individuals blend soul and spirit. It is why I referenced dichotomy and trichotomy earlier.
Jesus Christ is a Divine Person. Not a human person. A Divine Person.
101G
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sure, the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being. the person's moral or emotional nature or sense of identity:
101G
praise_yeshua
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There is an immaterial aspect of Deity/Divinity that is shared among the Persons of the Trinity. That immaterial aspect often is displayed in material things. Among the Persons of the "Trinity" it what Unifies "them". It is "Character". Essence of each Individual. It is what is manifest in what God does. While it is material in that sense it is what each Person is at their very core.
Such can not be derived in the context of flesh. It must be learned. It must be experienced. It must begin with being gifted. It the very substance of the statement "I AM that I AM".
"Sense of identity" is derived.
101G
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"I AM that I AM". I is a single entity, or single Person, which just eliminated your trinity of three person. for God is a, a, a, a Spirit.
101G.
praise_yeshua
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I don't see anything that you said that forces an singular view of Person in such. You need more than this. Just because you can't personally experience Unity in character doesn't have anything to do with God. You are forcing your own experience upon God.
101G
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well, let's open your eyes. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." NOW, "ME" is a single PERSON, designation. so that again eliminates any three persons. as well as character.
HE, GOD, know not anyone else. that clear ... is is not.
101G.
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isaiah 44:8
Yea, there is no God . . .—Literally, no Rock. That word, as expressing eternal strength, being used, as in Deuteronomy 32:4; 2Samuel 22:3; 2Samuel 23:3, as a Divine name.
And as we know Jesus is "The Rock".
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
44:1-8 Israel is here called Jeshurun, which means the upright one. Such only are Israelites indeed, in whom is no guile. Those that serve God he will own. He will help them over difficulties, and in their services. Water is the emblem of the Holy Spirit; as water refreshes, cleanses, and makes the earth fruitful, so do his influences the soul. This gift of the Holy Ghost is the great blessing, the plentiful pouring out of which God kept for the latter days. Where God gives his Spirit, he will give all other blessings. Hereby shall be a great increase of the church; thus it shall be spread to distant places.
Was there any other Rock, or Protector, that could defend them? None besides could foretell these things to come, of which God by his prophets gave notice. All was set in order in the Divine predictions, as well as in the Divine purposes. Could any other have done so? Who can compare with Israel's Redeemer and King?
Jesus is our Redeemer and King.
praise_yeshua
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We need to recognize that you're moving the argument over and over again. I don't mind but you need to recognize this. I asked you about what you said and then you decided to reference something else. You can keep doing this, I'm fine with it. However, please acknowledge that your arguments are failing.
YOU don't have the character that God has. YOU believe you do. You're judging God by what YOU are experiencing. Why is that?
So... moving on to Isaiah 44:8 because you can't defend what you've said without moving to something else in your weak defense....
Isa 44:8 Hide not yourselves, nor go astray: have ye not heard from the beginning, and have not I told you? ye are witnesses if there is a God beside me.
I didn't say there was another God. I said there are three Persons. One God. Pay attention.
Again. Back to your character compared to God's character. You are incapable of accepting the Truth because YOU judge God by your own lacking character.
101G
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@praise_yeshua,
do not the term “ME” separates one persons character from another? for is it not ONE PERSON that was speaking in Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
understand the ME (the character), of the ONE PERSON "I".
101G.
do not the term “ME” separates one persons character from another? for is it not ONE PERSON that was speaking in Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
understand the ME (the character), of the ONE PERSON "I".
101G.
praise_yeshua
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The issue is related to him insisting that three people can't share the same character. Sure, I thank God that you Glorify the Son but this is "Jesus Only" dishonors the Father. It creates division where none exists.
101G
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Good, Deuteronomy 32:3 "Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God." Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."
correct the NAME of the LORD, all cap is JESUS the Rock.... thank you.
101G
praise_yeshua
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Funny. You believe one human father and one human mother can become one flesh..... yet you will not allow three Persons to be One God.
praise_yeshua
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So what is Character? It isn't a Persona. That is what you believe it is.
101G
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(smile), is your Character, 101G's ? no, and let's see what is the Character ... the PERSON? scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
express image of his person? which is the Greek word,
G5481 χαρακτ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraverήρ (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
Compare: G1125, G1504
See also: G5480
checkmate... the express image of his person is his character. .... next.
101G.
101G
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@praise_yeshua,
if you missed it. express image, means Exact.... meaning it's the same one PERSON...... (smile).
101G.
if you missed it. express image, means Exact.... meaning it's the same one PERSON...... (smile).
101G.
praise_yeshua
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You really don't think I know this verse? or that I've never considered it in the context of the Trinity?
Why do you think I used the English word "Character"? Some translations use the word "nature".
I reject this characterization of what "Character" is......
So tell me about this "idol" you've "sharpened to a point".....
FreeInChrist
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It appears the debate is over....
The Eternal Sonships have won.
The Eternal Sonships have won.
