Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"

[civic]

You're somewhat describing the doctrine of the Trinity with a preference for the English "Word" you're using.

Is the Word and the Son the same Person?

Amen time to flush it out.

 

[praise_yeshua]

thanks Duane, but is man a three person being?

101G

You're actually looking for the doctrines of dichotomy vs trichotomy

 

[101G]

Geesh. I have already answered you several times now. Yes. I did more than just say. Yes. I explained why I said... YES....

You can't. That is what people do when they have an empty argument devoid of reason and details that established the "YES" of that answer.

Well then if it's the same one person then there is no ... "ETERNAL Sonship, nor any Eternal Incarnate Sonship"

101G.

 

[101G]

You're actually looking for the doctrines of dichotomy vs trichotomy

no

101G.

 

[Liam]

Yes...Jesus and the Father are one. Always have been always will be.The Son came out from God and the Father into the world, where creature measurements of time and space apply. But in the Godhead such finite terms have no application, and in that timeless and boundless state where the Deity is all, the Father and Son abide in continuous union and communion. Then, in the fullness of time, from God, from the Father, the Son came forth, and came into the sphere of creation.

He came to save us.

“The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” 1 Timothy 1:15

 

[civic]

You're actually looking for the doctrines of dichotomy vs trichotomy

He is a modalist

 

[civic]

Yes...Jesus and the Father are one. Always have been always will be.The Son came out from God and the Father into the world, where creature measurements of time and space apply. But in the Godhead such finite terms have no application, and in that timeless and boundless state where the Deity is all, the Father and Son abide in continuous union and communion. Then, in the fullness of time, from God, from the Father, the Son came forth, and came into the sphere of creation.

He came to save us.

“The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” 1 Timothy 1:15

An eternal relationship without beginning between the Father and Son.

Amen

 

[101G]

Yes...Jesus and the Father are one. Always have been always will be.The Son came out from God and the Father into the world, where creature measurements of time and space apply. But in the Godhead such finite terms have no application, and in that timeless and boundless state where the Deity is all, the Father and Son abide in continuous union and communion. Then, in the fullness of time, from God, from the Father, the Son came forth, and came into the sphere of creation.

He came to save us.

“The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” 1 Timothy 1:15

true, the time and space is in Ordinal Designations, (First/Last), by being the equal share of himself in flesh that was to come. HIS, HIS, HIS, own IMAGE.... man

101G.

 

[101G]

He is a modalist

why you keep on saying that. did 101G not tell you that he is a "Diversified Oneness". 101G wish you make a note of this.... OK. thanks in advance.

101G

 

[civic]

why you keep on saying that. did 101G not tell you that he is a "Diversified Oneness". 101G wish you make a note of this.... OK. thanks in advance.

101G

Same thing different name

 

[101G]

Same thing different name

well then will you not respect 101G wishes, regardless?

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

He is a modalist

I was hoping to change that. He should consider the historical distinctions. I know you agree....most people among us really don't know any of these distinctions we mentioned. I wish they would get to know them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

An eternal relationship without beginning between the Father and Son.

Amen

Yep. Saying the Son came forth from some "seed of the father" actually promotes mistakes.

Many people here are making those mistakes and don't even realize it.

 

[101G]

I was hoping to change that. He should consider the historical distinctions. I know you agree....most people among us really don't know any of these distinctions we mentioned. I wish they would get to know them.

the same with "Diversified Oneness".

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Same thing different name

Yep. Same errors.

 

[praise_yeshua]

the same with "Diversified Oneness".

101G.

It is just a different flavor of the same understanding. As I've told you before. At least you promote the Divinity of the Son. I can work with this. At least I think I can.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes...Jesus and the Father are one. Always have been always will be.The Son came out from God and the Father into the world, where creature measurements of time and space apply. But in the Godhead such finite terms have no application, and in that timeless and boundless state where the Deity is all, the Father and Son abide in continuous union and communion. Then, in the fullness of time, from God, from the Father, the Son came forth, and came into the sphere of creation.

He came to save us.

“The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.” 1 Timothy 1:15

If you use "timeless" in the sense of limitless time, then I'd agree. Most people do not. If, you don't believe in limitless time, then "in the fullness of time" really has no meaning whatsoever.

I think it is time to deal with the "conception" of the Son for a moment in the context of "begotten".

The "seed of God" isn't really accurate here. It is in a sense but in many ways it isn't. The Son, in Eternal Character and "state", was joined with the seed of Mary.

This "seed of God" didn't grow. It didn't change. It didn't become..... It has always been. Complete. Perfect. Without beginning or end.

What grew and changed was the seed of Mary.

 

[101G]

It is just a different flavor of the same understanding. As I've told you before. At least you promote the Divinity of the Son. I can work with this. At least I think I can.

(smile). the term Son, is just a title of God, in flesh as the EQUAL SHARE of himself , (Incarnate), in flesh and blood that was to come. which answer the OP Title.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

(smile). the term Son, is just a title of God, in flesh as the EQUAL SHARE of himself , (Incarnate), in flesh and blood that was to come. which answer the OP Title.

101G.

It is more than a title. I know that is what you believe.

It is a Relationship. Perfect. Complete. Immutable. Men have difficulty understanding this because of how divided they are with one another. Mother against daughter. Father against son. Son against father.

There is lot more here than what you're seeing.

 

[FreeInChrist]

The triune God made man as a triune being, with body, soul, and spirit, and it is this very tri-unity of being that is unique among creation. Triune man is endowed with a God-consciousness, spiritual capacities, and a moral nature that distances him from every other created being. God created man to be His regent on earth, to govern God's world under the authority of His Creator God: "And let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

Thank you for saying this truth.