No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[TomL]

Because Christ died for the elect unbelievers before they were believers. He dying for their sins was raised for their Justification Rom 4:25

Christ died for all


Christ died

1. For all
1 Timothy 2:6 (NASB 95) — 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Isaiah 53:6 (NASB 95) — 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

2. For every man
Hebrews 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

3. For the world
John 3:16 (NASB 95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

4. For the sins of the whole world
1 John 2:2 (NASB 95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

5. For the ungodly
Romans 5:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

6. For false teachers
2 Peter 2:1 (NASB 95) — 1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

7. For many
Matthew 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

8. For Israel
John 11:50–51 (NASB 95) — 50 nor do you take into account that it is expedient for you that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation not perish.” 51 Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation,

9. For the Church
Ephesians 5:25 (NASB 95) — 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,

10. For Paul (Gal. 2:20).
Galatians 2:20 (NASB 95) — 20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

 

[brightfame52]

Many people were saved who believed.

Correct because believing is the result of being saved. A lost person can't believe the gospel because it is hid from them so they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

 

[brightfame52]

It is the result of believing God's word.

After being drawn by the Father, if He doesn't do that, no believing is possible. Jn 6:44-45,65

 

[dwight92070]

Brightfame52,

You might as well pack your bags and go home.

TomL just bombed your whole theology with 10 verses.

 

[brightfame52]

LOL

Nothing funny. Justification was by the blood of Christ testified by scripture Rom 5:9 and God given Faith persuades of that Divine Testimony.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for all

All that believe!

 

[dwight92070]

Correction, TomL just bombed you whole theology with 12 verses. So you can still pack your bags.

 

[brightfame52]

Brightfame52,

You might as well pack your bags and go home.

TomL just bombed your whole theology with 10 verses.

That's your opinion that you are entitled to believe. All the verses that Tom has posted I agree with them

 

[Bardon]

Correct because believing is the result of being saved. A lost person can't believe the gospel because it is hid from them so they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4

That is the worst case of misrepresenting the gospel I've ever seen.

Scripture declares, however, that God seeks all. He calls upon all who thirst to come to Him and drink, and upon all who are wicked to turn unto Him in reliance on His mercy. It must therefore be possible for those who are spiritually dead to hear God’s voice, turn to the Lord, believe the gospel, and receive pardon by His grace.

 

[brightfame52]

Correction, TomL just bombed you whole theology with 12 verses. So you can still pack your bags.

Like I said you can believe that I agree with the verses he posted

 

[Gaius]

Christ likens the kingdom of God to a supper to which men are invited found in Luke 14: 15-24

In the parable, there is no question that a bona fide invitation was extended, nor that many if not most of those sincerely invited refused and even scorned the invitation and suffered the Lord’s wrath: “For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper”

The problem for the Calvinist is to explain how God can sincerely invite into His kingdom those for whom Christ did not die, whom He has not elected to salvation, whom He has from a past eternity predestined to eternal torment and who can’t accept because He withholds from them the grace they need— then punish them for not responding to His “invitation.”

How does that work? And why does He send his servants to “compel” those “in highways and hedges … to come in, that my house may be filled”, if regeneration is a sovereign act of God without human response? Why send out a invitation?

 

[brightfame52]

That is the worst case of misrepresenting the gospel I've ever seen.

What that the gospel is here to them that are lost? It's written right here second Corinthians 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The word hid here is the Greek word kalyptō:

to hide, veil

to hinder the knowledge of a thing

Now it is in the perfect passive, an action completed in the past once and for all and is true in the present. And the lost one is being acted upon. As long as the person is in a lost condition, the gospel is hidden and you can't believe what is hidden from your understanding and mind

 

[brightfame52]

In the parable, there is no question that a bona fide invitation was extended, nor that many if not most of those sincerely invited refused and even scorned the invitation and suffered the Lord’s wrath: “For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper”

This is talking about the gospel being preached first among the Jews. The Jews were exposed to the Gospel by way of all the types and sacrifices picturing the coming seed of the woman which is Christ.

 

[Bardon]

What that the gospel is here to them that are lost? It's written right here second Corinthians 4:3

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The word hid here is the Greek word kalyptō:

to hide, veil

to hinder the knowledge of a thing

Now it is in the perfect passive, an action completed in the past once and for all and is true in the present. And the lost one is being acted upon. As long as the person is in a lost condition, the gospel is hidden and you can't believe what is hidden from your understanding and mind

Scripture declares, however, that God seeks all. He calls upon all who thirst to come to Him and drink, and upon all who are wicked to turn unto Him in reliance on His mercy. It must therefore be possible for those who are spiritually dead to hear God’s voice, turn to the Lord, believe the gospel, and receive pardon by His grace.

 

[TomL]

All that believe!

You are ignoring much scripture

Christ died

1. For all (1 Tim. 2:6; Isa. 53:6).

1 Timothy 2:6 (NASB 95) — 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

Isaiah 53:6 (NASB 95) — 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

2. For every man (Heb. 2:9).

Hebrews 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

3. For the world (John 3:16).

John 3:16 (NASB 95) — 16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

4. For the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2).

1 John 2:2 (NASB 95) — 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

5. For the ungodly (Rom. 5:6).

Romans 5:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

6. For false teachers (2 Peter 2:1).

2 Peter 2:1 (NASB 95) — 1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

 

[TomL]

That's your opinion that you are entitled to believe. All the verses that Tom has posted I agree with them

No, you do not. You simply pretend an alternate meaning.

 

[TomL]

Nothing funny. Justification was by the blood of Christ testified by scripture Rom 5:9 and God given Faith persuades of that Divine Testimony.

You just argued for being justified by faith

placing faith before justification

Scripture nowhere speaks of justified unbelievers

Rom 5:1–2 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
Romans 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture declares, however, that God seeks all. He calls upon all who thirst to come to Him and drink, and upon all who are wicked to turn unto Him in reliance on His mercy. It must therefore be possible for those who are spiritually dead to hear God’s voice, turn to the Lord, believe the gospel, and receive pardon by His grace.

The Gospel is hidden to the lost, sorry

 

[TomL]

After being drawn by the Father, if He doesn't do that, no believing is possible. Jn 6:44-45,65

Drawn by hearing and believing the word

John 6:45 (NASB95) — 45 “It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

This is true even if God's teaching is through another party

For example those who believe Moses would believe on Christ
John 5:46 (LEB) — 46 For if you had believed Moses, you would believe me, for that one wrote about me.

Belief in the words of others as well
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
Acts 14:1 In Iconium they entered the synagogue of the Jews together, and spoke in such a manner that a large number of people believed, both of Jews and of Greeks.
Acts 18:8 Crispus, the leader of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household, and many of the Corinthians when they heard were believing and being baptized.
John 1:6–7 (NASB 95) — 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.
Acts 2:37–38Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

Even what is written is sufficient

John 20:30–31 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 17:11–12 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

You are ignoring much scripture

I agree with those scriptures.