civic
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Yes those who already listen and learn from the Father are the same ones who were drawn and come
No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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brightfame52
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The ones hearing and learning in Jn 6:45 are the same ones the Father draws in Vs 44. The Father drawing them is regeneration, so a regenerate person has the spiritual capacity, hearing to spiritually learn.Yes those who already listen and learn from the Father are the same ones who were drawn and come
The Father in Jn 6:45 isnt dealing with spiritually dead folk
FreeInChrist
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I just showed you verse for verse how you are wrong.
brightfame52
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You think Im wrong
FreeInChrist
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And he does not have to predestine them to listen and learn. With his foreknowledge he knows who will and who wont.Yes those who already listen and learn from the Father are the same ones who were drawn and come
brightfame52
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He has to regenerate them and give a new heart for them to hear and learn. One has to be spiritual to learn spiritually 1 Cor 2:12-14
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 3;Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
FreeInChrist
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Yes,
This is what I wrote.
Scripture that you quote daily plus one verse with a look at what it really says.
You do not understand what I said.
Jn 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day
(I posted the next verse that you never do.)
Jn 6:45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
(You really should add it for JN 44 and 45 are a complete thought.)
It says everyone who has learned....that is not meaning all will learn. They heard and they made their choice. And those who chose God were the ones sent by the Father.
This is so clear......................................................
Jn 6:65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
Enabled them by teaching and those He foreknew were those that... well, you know it... you copy it enough.
The main difference is this is not a predestined thing....
(and I am adding that this Having Free Will is not at all excluding God, the Heavenly Father.)
brightfame52
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Doesn't change anything I already stated
FreeInChrist
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Do you honestly not think that God knows who will or will not accept him?
I can assure you that if God was able to predestine those that he did predestine... which were those he needed for a specific purpose such as Noah, and Job, and the prophets and the apostles, and Mary, and even Judas.... plus others... he IS ABLE to know every thought before you ever think it
AI on these verses
1 Corinthians 2:12-14 does not definitively prove that there is no free will; rather, it discusses the difference between spiritual understanding and human wisdom. The passage emphasizes that spiritual truths are discerned through the Spirit, which some interpret as supporting the idea of divine influence on belief, but it does not eliminate the concept of free will in accepting or rejecting faith.
Alive
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It seems to me that the Bible everywhere shows us in its presentation of the interaction between God and humans, freedom of will. The whole Bible, in other words, depicts for us the history of free will—as a matter of responding in faith to the gracious offer of God, versus choosing instead to live in dark, eternal separation from him.
civic
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Yes it’s part of being made in the image of God
brightfame52
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Unlearned question
civic
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Unlearned answer
brightfame52
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You reap what you sowUnlearned answer
Wholeheart
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That's why you should leave Calvinism in the dust. Calvinism and those who are adhering to it are heading toward destruction.
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civic
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brightfame52
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Tulip
is the Gospel so be careful
Wholeheart
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No it's not it's a man made false doctrine, the actual gospel message is more about God’s kingdom. Tulip won't get you there.Tulip
TibiasDad
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It didn’t save me. I was raised in a Christian family, my grandfather was a pastor, and I was often convicted by the Holy Spirit about my sinfulness, but it wasn’t until I was 17 that I submitted to the Spirit’s call on my life.
Doug
