No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[Red Baker]

@Peterlag

Again... I think God called everyone and only certain people answered the call.

So, you think God is in the "Telemarketing" ~ business! Interesting.

The God of the scriptures is a Sovereign King, that doeth according to his will, and none can stay his will.

Daniel 4:35​

“And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?”

 

[Red Baker]

@TibiasDad

Not according to John 3:16. God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only son in order that whoever believes in him should not perish but should have life everlasting.

The hina clause, “in order that whoever believes in him” becomes the contingency of what follows . This is due to the use of the subjunctive mood used in the final clause, namely, “should not perish” but “should have life everlasting.” The use of the subjunctive expresses the result is contingent upon the believing occurring first. Believing precedes eternal life being given. Eternal life is the consequence of believing occurring.

The language can mean nothing else, period!

Let us see if you are correct.

John 3:16-18~"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

You said: “in order that whoever believes in him” ~ you have added your own version by saying..."in order that".... thus making John 3:16 a conditional scripture for eternal life, which Christ never intended this to be, never.

In John 3:16-18 the Lord Jesus was "declaring" a biblical truth taught all through the scriptures. The declaration Christ is stating is very clear to any unbias reader: God so loved the world, Jews and Gentiles, and among these, that whosoever among them that believes in him should perish, but have everlasting life. The Lord continue declaring truths in 17,18 verses found in other scriptures in the Bible, concerning His Son. Not even a hint of a condition a man must do to have eternal life, after all, God sent this Son to do those conditions required by the law of God, which he perfectly performed.

Galatians 2:21​

“I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

 

[Red Baker]

@Kampioen

That's becaus a man is saved by the time he has faith. There is no gap. God knows when a man has faith. But it is because he has faith.

Being born of God, and having faith in the scriptures are not one and the same act. The New birth is a creation of a new man within God's elect by the Spirit of God. He is created after the image of Jesus Christ. From that point forward, that person has the power to believe, repent, and do spiritual acts pleasing unto God, but not until being born of God, impossible. There's definitely a gap period between being born of God, and actually coming to faith in the same. When a new born baby is born into this world, what does that infant truly knows about anything as far as that goes? Not a thing. I just had a great grandson son born, and I went to visit him, all he did was sleep, eat, etc., he never knew I was there, and will never know it. All he wanted was a pap, and that's normal of LIFE being present. There's a growing period where he comes to know many things and it happens very fast, for the most part. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, but this is only so for those who have a new man within them, impossible for those not born first of God.

 

[Kampioen]

@Kampioen

Being born of God, and having faith in the scriptures are not one and the same act. The New birth is a creation of a new man within God's elect by the Spirit of God. He is created after the image of Jesus Christ. From that point forward, that person has the power to believe, repent, and do spiritual acts pleasing unto God, but not until being born of God, impossible. There's definitely a gap period between being born of God, and actually coming to faith in the same. When a new born baby is born into this world, what does that infant truly knows about anything as far as that goes? Not a thing. I just had a great grandson son born, and I went to visit him, all he did was sleep, eat, etc., he never knew I was there, and will never know it. All he wanted was a pap, and that's normal of LIFE being present. There's a growing period where he comes to know many things and it happens very fast, for the most part. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, but this is only so for those who have a new man within them, impossible for those not born first of God.

Did this man do the wrong thing by seeking salvation? ...

Acts 16:30 (KJV) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Does an unsaved man ever do works of God?

Does a saved man ever do anything not of God?

Can a Arminian be a saved man? If so, Why?

Can a saved man become an Arminian?

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag

So, you think God is in the "Telemarketing" ~ business! Interesting.

The God of the scriptures is a Sovereign King, that doeth according to his will, and none can stay his will.

Daniel 4:35​

“And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?”

Yes God called. You can call it telemarketing if you want...

Romans 8:28, 30
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.