No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[brightfame52]

Sorry you cannot be saved and unsaved at the same time

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

Cornelius was not yet saved if he had to hear the words spoken by Peter by which he would be saved

There is simply no evidence Cornelius was born again - regenerated

Were that so, he would have been saved, but it is simply not true.

And anyone who has not been indwelled by the Spirit is not regenerate or born again.

Cornelius was a justified man that feared God B4 he ever met Peter Acts 10:1-4,22. Because he was a just man, he had to live by faith in the Gospel Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

Cornelius had Faith in God B4 he met Peter, the Gospel is sent to people of Faith so they can hear and believe.

 

[TomL]

Cornelius was a justified man that feared God B4 he ever met Peter Acts 10:1-4,22. Because he was a just man, he had to live by faith in the Gospel Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

Cornelius had Faith in God B4 he met Peter, the Gospel is sent to people of Faith so they can hear and believe.

You still cannot be saved and unsaved at the same time

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

Cornelius was not yet saved if he had to hear the words spoken by Peter by which he would be saved

There is simply no evidence Cornelius was born again - regenerated

Were that so, he would have been saved, but it is simply not true.

And anyone who has not been indwelled by the Spirit is not regenerate or born again.

 

[brightfame52]

You still cannot be saved and unsaved at the same time

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

Cornelius was not yet saved if he had to hear the words spoken by Peter by which he would be saved

There is simply no evidence Cornelius was born again - regenerated

Were that so, he would have been saved, but it is simply not true.

And anyone who has not been indwelled by the Spirit is not regenerate or born again.

Cornelius was a justified man that feared God B4 he ever met Peter Acts 10:1-4,22. Because he was a just man, he had to live by faith in the Gospel Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

Cornelius had Faith in God B4 he met Peter, the Gospel is sent to people of Faith so they can hear and believe

 

[TomL]

Cornelius was a justified man that feared God B4 he ever met Peter Acts 10:1-4,22. Because he was a just man, he had to live by faith in the Gospel Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith

Cornelius had Faith in God B4 he met Peter, the Gospel is sent to people of Faith so they can hear and believe

Cornelius had not yet heard the gospel.

And had not known Christ

Faith in Christ is salvatory, but Cornelius still had to hear words by which he would be saved.

You cannot be saved and unsaved at the same time

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

Cornelius was not yet saved if he had to hear the words spoken by Peter by which he would be saved

There is simply no evidence Cornelius was born again - regenerated

Were that so, he would have been saved, but it is simply not true.

And anyone who has not been indwelled by the Spirit is not regenerate or born again

 

[brightfame52]

Cornelius had not yet heard the gospel

No he had not yet heard the Gospel, but he was a saved regenerated man of Faith and Justified by Christ death, whose prayers God heard. So does God hear the prayers of a person who has no Faith? 1 Peter 3:12

For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Now that word righteous is the same Greek word for just that describes Cornelius dikaios.

righteous, observing divine laws

in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined

innocent, faultless, guiltless

used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

only Christ truly

approved of or acceptable of God

A righteous and just man is saved

Do you deny that Cornelius was already approved and accepted by God before he met Peter?

 

[brightfame52]

@TomL

You cannot be saved and unsaved at the same time

You can. For instance a Christian is saved now but is not yet saved from the presence of sin as they shall be in the future when Christ comes as per From 13:11

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[TomL]

@TomL


You can. For instance a Christian is saved now but is not yet saved from the presence of sin as they shall be in the future when Christ comes as per From 13:11

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Sorry, you are convoluting what is true at the same time.

Cornelius was not saved while requiring the word of God on how to be saved.

 

[TomL]

No he had not yet heard the Gospel, but he was a saved regenerated man of Faith and Justified by Christ death, whose prayers God heard. So does God hear the prayers of a person who has no Faith? 1 Peter 3:12

For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

Now that word righteous is the same Greek word for just that describes Cornelius dikaios.

righteous, observing divine laws

in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined

innocent, faultless, guiltless

used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

only Christ truly

approved of or acceptable of God

A righteous and just man is saved

Do you deny that Cornelius was already approved and accepted by God before he met Peter?

Sorry no without the gospel he was not a saved man

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry, you are convoluting what is true at the same time.

There is a future salvation the saved has not yet been saved with yet. In fact the saved in Acts 11 14

is a passive voice Future tense, so its a future salvation, and by it being in passive voice the subject is being acted upon, if it was a condition the subject performed, it would be an active voice. Peter was giving them hope, assurance for the future

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry no without the gospel he was not a saved man

Sure he was a saved righteous man b4 hearing the Gospel. You denying Gods own testimony of the man Cornelius.

 

[TomL]

Sure he was a saved righteous man b4 hearing the Gospel. You denying Gods own testimony of the man Cornelius.

Laughable claim, as was noted

You cannot be saved and unsaved at the same time

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

Cornelius was not yet saved if he had to hear the words spoken by Peter by which he would be saved

There is simply no evidence Cornelius was born again - regenerated

Were that so, he would have been saved, but it is simply not true.

And anyone who has not been indwelled by the Spirit is not regenerate or born again

 

[brightfame52]

So Jesus teaches what is called total depravity or inability as the T in Tulip ! 12

 

[brightfame52]

Laughable claim, as was noted

You dont understand salvation, being saved. Cornelius was a saved regenerated righteous man b4 he met Peter. Christ in the vision indicated He had cleansed Cornelius Acts 10 15

And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common
That word cleansed means katharizō:
n a moral sense

1. to free from defilement of sin and from faults
2. to purify from wickedness
3. to free from guilt of sin, to purify
4. to consecrate by cleansing or purifying
5. to consecrate, dedicate

The same word Paul used for purify Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Cornelius was a redeemed man b4 he met Peter with the Gospel

 

[TomL]

There is a future salvation the saved has not yet been saved with yet. In fact the saved in Acts 11 14

Try again



Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

There is but one gospel you must believe to be saved

is a passive voice Future tense, so its a future salvation, and by it being in passive voice the subject is being acted upon, if it was a condition the subject performed, it would be an active voice. Peter was giving them hope, assurance for the future

Duh, the future tense shows Cornelius was not yet saved.

Paul's speaking is also future tense

And The Holy Spirit Cornelius received is the seal of our future inheritance

Eph 1:13–14in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

That seal is received when one first believes.

 

[TomL]

You dont understand salvation, being saved. Cornelius was a saved regenerated righteous man b4 he met Peter. Christ in the vision indicated He had cleansed Cornelius Acts 10 15

And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common
That word cleansed means katharizō:
n a moral sense

1. to free from defilement of sin and from faults
2. to purify from wickedness
3. to free from guilt of sin, to purify
4. to consecrate by cleansing or purifying
5. to consecrate, dedicate

The same word Paul used for purify Titus 2:14

Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Cornelius was a redeemed man b4 he met Peter with the Gospel

Sorry if that was so he would not need to hear a message by which he must be saved

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’

Acts 15:7–9 (LEB) — 7 And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Again the Gentiles had their hearts cleansed by faith and were saved at the preaching of Paul.

This is the testimony of scripture: their hearts were cleansed by faith.

And these are the results of having believed.

 

[brightfame52]

Try again

Don't need to, you don't understand Salvation

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry if that was so he would not need to hear a message by which he must be saved

I've explained it to you and you can not see it. You don't understand Salvation.

 

[TomL]

I've explained it to you and you can not see it. You don't understand Salvation.

Once again you ignored scripture

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’


Acts 15:7–9 (LEB) — 7 And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Again the Gentiles had their hearts cleansed by faith and were saved at the Gospel preaching of Paul.

This is the testimony of scripture: their hearts were cleansed by faith.

And these are the results of having believed the Gospel when preached by Paul.

 

[brightfame52]

Once again you ignored scripture

False claims

 

[TomL]

False claims

Total truth

Once again you ignored scripture

Acts 11:13–14 (LEB) — 13 And he reported to us how he had seen the angel standing in his house and saying, ‘Send to Joppa and summon Simon, who is also called Peter, 14 who will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’


Acts 15:7–9 (LEB) — 7 And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Again the Gentiles had their hearts cleansed by faith, were given the Spirit and were saved at the Gospel preaching of Paul.

This is initial salvation.

This is the testimony of scripture: they entered into this by faith.

And these are the results of having believed the Gospel when preached by Paul.