Modern Day Israel on Gods prophetic calendar

[EclipseEventSigns]

Well...continue on. I'll weigh and assess whether your understanding is credible or not.

LOL. You are the one that is having issues with it. That means it's up to YOU to do the research. It's not a problem for me. Here's a hint - who is the one providing for all the sacrifices in the millennial temple?

[Eze 45:17, 22-25 LSB] 17 "And it shall be the prince's part [to provide] the burnt offerings, the grain offerings, and the drink offerings, at the feasts, on the new moons, and on the sabbaths, at all the appointed times of the house of Israel; he shall provide the sin offering, the grain offering, the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make atonement for the house of Israel." ... 22 "And on that day the prince shall provide for himself and all the people of the land a bull for a sin offering. 23 "And [during] the seven days of the feast he shall provide as a burnt offering to Yahweh seven bulls and seven rams without blemish on every day of the seven days, and a male goat daily for a sin offering. 24 "And he shall provide as a grain offering an ephah with a bull, an ephah with a ram, and a hin of oil with an ephah. 25 "In the seventh [month], on the fifteenth day of the month, at the feast, he shall provide like this, seven days for the sin offering, the burnt offering, the grain offering, and the oil."

 

[Rockson]

LOL.

Ha.....and I knew you would respond with something like this when I told you I'd assess whether your understanding is credible or not. I was just waiting

I mean who am I to suggest you might be wrong, right?

Anyways let's look at what you say,

You are the one that is having issues with it. That means it's up to YOU to do the research.

Part of doing research is to see if there's a consensus or an overall opinion on just what most of the body of Christ believes and why? As in iron sharpens iron?

It's not a problem for me.

Good. So tell us of your understanding of the feasts as it relates to what we were discussing. Warning though. I will assess and seek to determine if what you say makes credible sense. Not a YES man here.

Here's a hint - who is the one providing for all the sacrifices in the millennial temple?

Some say Jesus Christ. Some say it can't be Jesus Christ for from the verse you provided from Ezekiel it states he provides the sacrifice for himself as well. So what say you? Appreciate if you wouldn't give me hints either. Just tell me what you think. Thanks.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Ha.....and I knew you would respond with something like this when I told you I'd assess whether your understanding is credible or not. I was just waiting

I mean who am I to suggest you might be wrong, right?

Anyways let's look at what you say,


Part of doing research is to see if there's a consensus or an overall opinion on just what most of the body of Christ believes and why? As in iron sharpens iron?

Good. So tell us of your understanding of the feasts as it relates to what we were discussing. Warning though. I will assess and seek to determine if what you say makes credible sense. Not a YES man here.



Some say Jesus Christ. Some say it can't be Jesus Christ for from the verse you provided from Ezekiel it states he provides the sacrifice for himself as well. So what say you? Appreciate if you wouldn't give me hints either. Just tell me what you think. Thanks.

The onus is on you, my friend, to read the Scripture. Again, it is you that has expressed your difficulty with understanding. Read the entire millennial temple section in Ezekiel. Do you have a curious and seeking mind or are you here just to do potshots like your last post? When you demonstrate that you have an understanding, at THAT point is when discussion happens.

 

[synergy]

You are the one who posted a link which you seem to be recommending and supporting its contents. That crazy "Russia" interpretation is talked about in that link.

I didn't post any link. You are hallucinating again.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

I didn't post any link. You are hallucinating again.

You are right. My apologies. You were quoting a previous post with that link inside. However your comment included the similar subject matter of Russia that was in that link.

But in no way have I been hallucinating any of what I have written in any thread. If you have issues, include sources and references that prove your views. I have seen precious little that does.

 

[Rockson]

The onus is on you, my friend, to read the Scripture. Again, it is you that has expressed your difficulty with understanding. Read the entire millennial temple section in Ezekiel.

I have read he scripture and I've known about it for years thanks so much. And before you even posted any of your above I watched a teaching online of Steve Greggs in the chapters of Ezek who has reservations in even believing it is talking about a future time. Now back to you what is it about the Lord and the feasts that you claim I'm missing. Sorry but you seem to make proclamations but you never seem to want to build a case why what you say should ever be accepted. To me at least you come across as I'm right and read your Bible. I"m looking for discussion here and interaction . Why do people believe the Ezek passage is referring to the millennium. If you're not so inclined to answer fine....maybe somebody else will.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Why? If someone doesn't understand the topic and is just here to argue their opinion and do drive by potshots, it's just a waste of time for me. Not interested.

 

[Rockson]

Why? If someone doesn't understand the topic and is just here to argue their opinion and do drive by potshots, it's just a waste of time for me. Not interested.

Absolute garbage and trash to say that I'm just here to argue my opinion. I started off on this very thread in #14 saying I have questions about modern day Israel and opened the floor for people including you to give me your input. Sorry but I suspect you might be merely projecting when you talk of others just wanting to argue their opinions. I'm guessing it's best therefore to now put you on ignore. I sincerely wish you all the best and PEACE.

 

[Frank Russell]

The age when God is omnipresent as the Burning Mountain of Moses is a blessing for the redeemed and torment for those not redeemed.

Wrath to one, is not so much wrath to those God has prepared.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Absolute garbage and trash to say that I'm just here to argue my opinion. I started off on this very thread in #14 saying I have questions about modern day Israel and opened the floor for people including you to give me your input. Sorry but I suspect you might be merely projecting when you talk of others just wanting to argue their opinions. I'm guessing it's best therefore to now put you on ignore. I sincerely wish you all the best and PEACE.

Yes, that's the usual response for someone that doesn't have the sources to back up what they've claimed.

 

[DavP]

No.

But I will debate that EVERY SINGLE MENTION OF WRATH in the Bible MUST MEAN the tribulation.

And you would be correct to debate that, because it is not so.

The specific 'wrath' that Apostle Paul said those in Christ are not appointed to, per 1 Thessalonians 5:9, is about God's cup of Wrath poured out upon the wicked on the 'last day' of this world.

1 Thess 5:1-9
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
KJV

That "sudden destruction" upon the wicked on the 'last day' is the "wrath" Apostle Paul was talking about. The false Pre-trib Rapture doctors just bypass all those above 1 thru 8 verses and falsely PUSH that verse 9 about "wrath" to mean the time of "great tribulation", just so they can SCARE YOU into wanting to be RAPTURED prior to the tribulation, which is a FALSE IDEA.

Paul was pulling from the Old Testament prophets with that idea of the deceived and wicked saying that "Peace and safety", and then that "sudden destruction" coming upon them on THAT "day of the Lord" event.

I've even noticed how the false Pre-trib Rapture theory doctors now LIE EVEN MORE about that "day of the Lord", trying to MOVE it to happen PRIOR to the great tribulation, which is definitely against God's written Word! Even Apostle Peter made it clear that the "day of the Lord" happens on the FINAL DAY of this present world, with God's consuming fire burning man's works off this earth! (2 Peter 3:10-13).

I hate to say it, but you folks on man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory have been bewitched, and are not verifying in God's written Word for yourself.

 

[dwight92070]

It's because you do not have a proper understanding of the Feasts of Yahweh and their purpose.

No, it's because he is living by the new covenant, not the old. There's no need to delve into ceremonial laws to get understanding of the end times. Those are obsolete and to think that they will be reinstated is folly, just like supposed future animal sacrifices are - at least not with God's approval. 2 Timothy 2:13 says that Jesus cannot deny Himself. For Him to approve of animal sacrifices now or some future time would be denying His own more-than-sufficient sacrifice on the cross.

 

[dwight92070]

Why would you even state something so outright wrong? It's there in black and white text since the time Ezekiel penned it.

[Eze 46:1-4 LSB] 1 'Thus says Lord Yahweh, "The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the six working days; but it shall be opened on the sabbath day and opened on the day of the new moon. 2 "Then the prince shall enter by way of the porch of the gate from outside and stand by the post of the gate. Then the priests shall provide his burnt offering and his peace offerings, and he shall worship at the threshold of the gate and then go out; but the gate shall not be shut until the evening. 3 "And the people of the land shall also worship at the entrance of that gate before Yahweh on the sabbaths and on the new moons. 4 "Now the burnt offering which the prince shall bring near to Yahweh on the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish and a ram without blemish;

You dispensationalists (dsp), if that's what you are, claim you take everything in the Bible literally, which you contradict time and time again. There are many times when you see things symbolically. Take the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3, for example. The dsp interpretation is that they are not literal churches, but that they symbolize the church in 7 different stages of its history. I see them as literal churches - there's nothing in the passage that would indicate otherwise. I take each scripture case-by-case - some are meant literally - some are not, they are symbolic.

In Ezekiel 40-48, where a temple is described, you once again claim to take everything literally. In this passage, however, you seem to ignore a passage in chapter 43 - either that or you are not taking it literally.

Chapter 43:10-11 Ezekiel is told to "describe the temple to the house of Israel, THAT THEY MAY BE ASHAMED OF THEIR INIQUITIES; ... IF THEY ARE ASHAMED OF ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE, make known to them the design of the house, its structures, its exits, its entrance, all its designs, ... "

First, what verse or verses tell us that this temple is for the end times? I don't see any, but maybe I missed something.

We know they are still in Babylon, so why would you not think that God is promising a new temple when they return to their homeland??

Taken literally, which I do, the Lord is promising them a new temple IF they are ashamed of their iniquities - that's a big "IF". IF they are not ashamed and repentant, then it appears that Ezekiel is NOT told to make known to them the plans for the temple. And if they have no plans, there will be no temple. In fact, we know this temple was NEVER built, nor is there any indication that it ever will be. This can mean only one thing - THEY WERE NOT REPENTANT, even after spending 70 years in Babylon.

So, what's outright wrong, appears to be your assumptions: 1. That this would be a future end time temple and 2. That the temple will, in fact, be built at all.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

You dispensationalists (dsp), if that's what you are, claim you take everything in the Bible literally, which you contradict time and time again. There are many times when you see things symbolically. Take the 7 churches in Revelation 2-3, for example. The dsp interpretation is that they are not literal churches, but that they symbolize the church in 7 different stages of its history. I see them as literal churches - there's nothing in the passage that would indicate otherwise. I take each scripture case-by-case - some are meant literally - some are not, they are symbolic.

In Ezekiel 40-48, where a temple is described, you once again claim to take everything literally. In this passage, however, you seem to ignore a passage in chapter 43 - either that or you are not taking it literally.

Chapter 43:10-11 Ezekiel is told to "describe the temple to the house of Israel, THAT THEY MAY BE ASHAMED OF THEIR INIQUITIES; ... IF THEY ARE ASHAMED OF ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE, make known to them the design of the house, its structures, its exits, its entrance, all its designs, ... "

First, what verse or verses tell us that this temple is for the end times? I don't see any, but maybe I missed something.

We know they are still in Babylon, so why would you not think that God is promising a new temple when they return to their homeland??

Taken literally, which I do, the Lord is promising them a new temple IF they are ashamed of their iniquities - that's a big "IF". IF they are not ashamed and repentant, then Ezekiel is told NOT to make known to them the plans for the temple. And if they have no plans, there will be no temple. In fact, we know this temple was NEVER built, nor is there any indication that it ever will be. This can mean only one thing - THEY WERE NOT REPENTANT.

So, what's outright wrong, appears to be your assumptions: 1. That this would be a future end time temple and 2. That the temple will, in fact, be built at all.

Why? You ask why? Very simple. The temple as described in Ezekiel was never built like it is stated. The location and size does not match the current site of Jerusalem. Simple. You just have to read.

 

[civic]

Absolute garbage and trash to say that I'm just here to argue my opinion. I started off on this very thread in #14 saying I have questions about modern day Israel and opened the floor for people including you to give me your input. Sorry but I suspect you might be merely projecting when you talk of others just wanting to argue their opinions. I'm guessing it's best therefore to now put you on ignore. I sincerely wish you all the best and PEACE.

sometimes its necessary especially when it becomes unfruitful and personal.

 

[civic]

Here is what I think the future holds for Russia. It might make for an interesting Hollywood fiction movie at least.

The fact that the USA is currently vacating the Middle East will permit Russia to build a coalition of Middle Eastern states. Along with most notably Iran, that coalition will end up threatening and invading Israel. The opposing coalition of nations, headed by the USA and Western nations, will oppose that invasion. Israel will be USA's line in the sand. That's when the USA enters the war full on. A massive war between Russia and the USA coalition will result but the USA coalition will triumph.

Once the USA coalition triumphs against Russia then it will install their occupation headquarters in Jerusalem. There and then will be the start of the Antichrist's reign in Jerusalem. With Protestant and Jewish backing he will proceed to build the 3rd Temple, only possible because of the defeat of Islamic nations, in order to dup the Jews into thinking that he is their long awaited Messiah. Eventually, Christ will banish the AntiChrist to Hell and put an end to that coalition.

I can see that scenario happening.