Masoretic Text Changed by Rabbi Akiva

[mikesw]

Barry Setterfield shares that the Masoretic Text by Rabbi Akiva altered the earlier scriptures. He introduced the square form of the Hebrew letters into scripture. It seems he also removed existing vowel markings. His approach made people dependent on the rabbis for reading the scriptures. His updates also altered the ages of the ancient people in Genesis 11 by removing the 100 indicator in the time of birth of the prominent sons. Another change was in the reading of Deu 32:14 which can be compared against the Samaritan Pentateuch (as described at 9:43 into the video).
I had gotten concerned about the vowel points being added to the Masoretic text in the 9th and 10th centuries CE, as a late interpretation. Without the vowel points, certain letter sequences (words) can have quite a variety of meanings.
The other thing he shared is that the Septuagint has different versions. I think Setterfield mentioned that the later Greek translations were by people with Rabbi Akiva.

 

[Dizerner]

The Qumran scrolls giving us an entire book of Isaiah show the MT was not significantly changed in that time frame.

Vowel markings were always obviously interpretative, that is already a given (hence, read, written, etc.)

Since our earliest complete LXX is 4th century, there is more time and probability it was nefariously altered than MT.

Letter script form is irrelevant and has nothing to do with text meaning, it's literally just a font.

Truth is both MT and LXX has received alterations over the years, and a study of both will help guess the original.

 

[synergy]

Barry Setterfield shares that the Masoretic Text by Rabbi Akiva altered the earlier scriptures. He introduced the square form of the Hebrew letters into scripture. It seems he also removed existing vowel markings. His approach made people dependent on the rabbis for reading the scriptures. His updates also altered the ages of the ancient people in Genesis 11 by removing the 100 indicator in the time of birth of the prominent sons. Another change was in the reading of Deu 32:14 which can be compared against the Samaritan Pentateuch (as described at 9:43 into the video).
I had gotten concerned about the vowel points being added to the Masoretic text in the 9th and 10th centuries CE, as a late interpretation. Without the vowel points, certain letter sequences (words) can have quite a variety of meanings.
The other thing he shared is that the Septuagint has different versions. I think Setterfield mentioned that the later Greek translations were by people with Rabbi Akiva.

It was the Greek-Speaking Diaspora Jews and the Greek Septuagint that helped first ignite Christianity in the Eastern Roman Empire.

In fact, the Greek language in particular was an essential tool that God and Apostles used to spread the Gospel across the Empire in these respects:

1. The creation, certification and widespread usage of the Greek Septuagint by Greek-speaking Diaspora Jews. The Septuagint was created and authenticated by Alexandrian Jews and used throughout the Empire by Diaspora Jews.
2. Greek philosophical terms allowed the understanding of the Trinity to be propagated throughout the Empire.
3. The Greek-speaking Diaspora Jews were elected to be dispersed throughout the Greek Eastern Empire by God Himself.
4. The Apostles endorsed the Greek Septuagint by overwhelmingly quoting from it.
5. God allowed the Greek language to be the Lingua Franca of the Eastern Roman Empire - the very language that the Gospel was communicated to the world.
6. The Apostles selected the Greek language to write their Epistles.
7. The churches, that the Apostles presided over and wrote to, were built on services that were structured in the Greek language.
8. and on and on.....

 

[mikesw]

The Qumran scrolls giving us an entire book of Isaiah show the MT was not significantly changed in that time frame.

Vowel markings were always obviously interpretative, that is already a given (hence, read, written, etc.)

Since our earliest complete LXX is 4th century, there is more time and probability it was nefariously altered than MT.

Letter script form is irrelevant and has nothing to do with text meaning, it's literally just a font.

Truth is both MT and LXX has received alterations over the years, and a study of both will help guess the original.

The verse used as an example was Deut 32:43. So the use in Heb 1:6 matches the Samaritan Pentateuch rather than the Masoretic. I would think the translators would want to use restored versions of the OT. But maybe that gets a bit tricky since the texts would be different languages or writing styles.

 

[Dizerner]

The verse used as an example was Deut 32:43. So the use in Heb 1:6 matches the Samaritan Pentateuch rather than the Masoretic. I would think the translators would want to use restored versions of the OT. But maybe that gets a bit tricky since the texts would be different languages or writing styles.

We don't want to be over simplistic in our thinking, and be like an ancient King James Onlyist.

Each manuscript line perserves some of the truth, not just one.

 

[synergy]

The verse used as an example was Deut 32:43. So the use in Heb 1:6 matches the Samaritan Pentateuch rather than the Masoretic. I would think the translators would want to use restored versions of the OT. But maybe that gets a bit tricky since the texts would be different languages or writing styles.

Would you know about how Hebrew did not have vowels and so the Masoretes, who were not exactly thrilled by all the Jews who had converted to Christianity, had full freedom to alter their text as they saw fit to discredit and squash Christianity?

 

[Dizerner]

There is no necessity to consider vowels as authoritative in MT, most translators do not.

 

[mikesw]

Would you know about how Hebrew did not have vowels and so the Masoretes, who were not exactly thrilled by all the Jews who had converted to Christianity, had full freedom to alter their text as they saw fit to discredit and squash Christianity?

The video said Rabbi Akiva used new letter styles and avoided adding vowel points back around 125AD

 

[mikesw]

There is no necessity to consider vowels as authoritative in MT, most translators do not.

k. Thanks for the info. i had been looking at some distinction of words based on the vowels this past summer. That is when I found out the vowels were added later.

 

[Dizerner]

k. Thanks for the info. i had been looking at some distinction of words based on the vowels this past summer. That is when I found out the vowels were added later.

Yes, there are many "conjectural emendations" they are called, based on vowels, mistaken letters that look alike, cognates, missing or added letters, reordered word spaces (no spaces/punctuation/capitals/vowels in original), scribal errors such as haplography, dittography, transposition, etc. The field of textual criticism is very interesting you could look into it. Net notes are a great "gateway drug" as it were into the field. Here is a nice example for Isaiah 3:12:

The Hebrew text appears to read literally, “My people, his oppressors, he deals severely, and women rule over them.” The correct text and precise meaning of the verse are debated. The translation above assumes (1) an emendation of נֹגְשָׂיו (nogesayv, “his oppressors”) to נֹגְשִׂים (nogeshim, “oppressors”) by moving the mem (ם) on the following form to the end of the word and dropping the vav (ו) as virtually dittographic; (2) an emendation of מְעוֹלֵל (meʿolel, a singular participle that does not agree with the preceding plural subject) to עֹלְלוּ (ʿolelu), a third plural Poel perfect from עָלַל (ʿalal, “deal severely”; note that the following form begins with a vav [ו]; the text may be haplographic or misdivided); and (3) an emendation (with support from the LXX) of נָשִׁים (nashim, “women”) to נֹשִׁים (noshim, “creditors”; a participle from נָשַׁא, nashaʾ). Another option is to emend מְעוֹלֵל to עוֹלְלִים (ʿolelim, “children”) and read, “My people’s oppressors are children; women rule over them.” In this case the point is the same as in v. 4; the leadership void left by the judgment will be filled by those incompetent to lead the community—children and women.​

 

[mikesw]

Yes, there are many "conjectural emendations" they are called, based on vowels, mistaken letters that look alike, cognates, missing or added letters, reordered word spaces (no spaces/punctuation/capitals/vowels in original), scribal errors such as haplography, dittography, transposition, etc. The field of textual criticism is very interesting you could look into it. Net notes are a great "gateway drug" as it were into the field. Here is a nice example for Isaiah 3:12:

The Hebrew text appears to read literally, “My people, his oppressors, he deals severely, and women rule over them.” The correct text and precise meaning of the verse are debated. The translation above assumes (1) an emendation of נֹגְשָׂיו (nogesayv, “his oppressors”) to נֹגְשִׂים (nogeshim, “oppressors”) by moving the mem (ם) on the following form to the end of the word and dropping the vav (ו) as virtually dittographic; (2) an emendation of מְעוֹלֵל (meʿolel, a singular participle that does not agree with the preceding plural subject) to עֹלְלוּ (ʿolelu), a third plural Poel perfect from עָלַל (ʿalal, “deal severely”; note that the following form begins with a vav [ו]; the text may be haplographic or misdivided); and (3) an emendation (with support from the LXX) of נָשִׁים (nashim, “women”) to נֹשִׁים (noshim, “creditors”; a participle from נָשַׁא, nashaʾ). Another option is to emend מְעוֹלֵל to עוֹלְלִים (ʿolelim, “children”) and read, “My people’s oppressors are children; women rule over them.” In this case the point is the same as in v. 4; the leadership void left by the judgment will be filled by those incompetent to lead the community—children and women.​

i would not try to go too deep into this. I basically expect that the translators will take care of much of the stuff. But any knowledge that I gain will certainly be helpful. My focus is on the explanation of the text that is observable in the English. Of course, Isaiah is tough to work through in the English too, but it is making more and more sense.

 

[Dizerner]

i would not try to go too deep into this. I basically expect that the translators will take care of much of the stuff. But any knowledge that I gain will certainly be helpful. My focus is on the explanation of the text that is observable in the English. Of course, Isaiah is tough to work through in the English too, but it is making more and more sense.

As least though try not to spread videos with misinformation and conspiracy theories like the one you posted so people are not misled.

Here are the real facts for those interested and if anyone disagrees I'm welcome to listen.


Prompts:
Did Rabbi Akiva formulate the Masoretic text?
Did Rabbi Akiva eliminate every manuscript that did not align with his new Hebrew text?
According to Siegfried Horn, Akiva's followers destroyed other manuscripts.

Engine:
ChatGPT-4-turbo

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The tradition that led to the Masoretic Text (MT) did not begin with a single rabbi but evolved over centuries. However, certain early rabbis and scholars significantly influenced the development of a standardized biblical text.

Key Figures in the Early Standardization of the Text:​

Rabbi Akiva (c. 50–135 CE)

• Rabbi Akiva emphasized the precise reading and interpretation of the Torah, even down to individual letters.
• He advocated for a standardized text, which later influenced the Masoretes.
• His students, such as Rabbi Meir, helped transmit textual traditions.

Rabbi Meir (2nd century CE)

• A disciple of Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir was known for a carefully copied Torah scroll (referred to as "Sefer Torah shel Rabbi Meir").
• Some traditions suggest he contributed to textual standardization.

Rabbi Yose ben Halafta (2nd century CE)

• He played a role in biblical chronology and textual preservation.
• His work contributed to the transmission of an accurate Torah text.

The Shift to the Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE)

• The Masoretes, particularly from Tiberias (e.g., the Ben Asher family) and Babylon, formalized the text with vowel markings (nikkud) and cantillation signs.
• The most famous Masorete, Aaron ben Asher (10th century CE), finalized the Tiberian Masoretic tradition, which became the standard Hebrew Bible text.

Conclusion

While early rabbis like Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Meir helped lay the foundation for a standardized biblical text, the Masoretic Text itself was fully developed by the Masoretes centuries later. The Ben Asher family, particularly Aaron ben Asher, played a key role in finalizing the MT.

—

There is no historical evidence that Rabbi Akiva systematically eliminated every manuscript that did not align with a standardized Hebrew text. However, he did play a significant role in textual standardization during his time. Here’s what we know:

Rabbi Akiva’s Role in Standardizing the Text

• Rabbi Akiva promoted a specific version of the Torah text, emphasizing precise readings and even small textual details.
• His students, such as Rabbi Meir, continued this effort, helping to establish a more uniform text.
• Some traditions suggest that Rabbi Akiva supported the proto-Masoretic text, a forerunner to the later Masoretic tradition.

Did He Destroy Other Manuscripts?

There is no direct historical proof that Rabbi Akiva ordered the destruction of alternate Torah manuscripts. However:

• There was a broader effort in post-Second Temple Judaism (after 70 CE) to unify the text of the Torah, particularly in opposition to competing versions such as the Septuagint (Greek) or the Samaritan Torah.
• The Talmud and other rabbinic texts suggest that Rabbi Akiva’s school rejected non-standard versions, but they do not mention a campaign of physical destruction.
• The Dead Sea Scrolls (3rd century BCE–1st century CE) reveal that multiple versions of biblical texts existed before and during Akiva’s lifetime, suggesting that standardization was a gradual process, not an abrupt purge.

Who Actually Finalized the Masoretic Text?

• The Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE) formalized the text centuries after Akiva, adding vowel markings, cantillation, and marginal notes.
• The Ben Asher family (Tiberian Masoretes) produced the authoritative version of the Hebrew Bible used today.

Conclusion

Rabbi Akiva was a major advocate of textual standardization, and his influence helped shape the later Masoretic tradition. However, there is no historical basis for the claim that he personally eliminated all competing manuscripts. Instead, the process of textual unification took place over centuries, culminating in the Masoretic Text.

—

Siegfried Horn, a respected archaeologist and biblical scholar, suggested that Rabbi Akiva’s followers played a role in suppressing alternate biblical texts to establish a standardized version. While Rabbi Akiva himself may not have ordered the destruction of manuscripts, his disciples and later rabbinic authorities likely favored a single authoritative text and rejected variant readings.

Key Points from Siegfried Horn’s Perspective

1. Rabbinic Standardization Efforts
   
   • After the destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE), Rabbi Akiva and his followers sought to preserve and unify Jewish tradition.
   • Competing versions of the Hebrew Scriptures existed, including texts similar to the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Samaritan Torah, and the Septuagint.
   • Akiva's disciples aimed to ensure one accepted text, which later evolved into the Masoretic Text.
2. Elimination of Non-Standard Manuscripts
   
   • Some scholars, including Horn, suggest that Akiva’s school rejected and possibly destroyed manuscripts that did not align with their preferred Hebrew text.
   • This claim aligns with the idea that alternate versions of the Hebrew Bible gradually disappeared, leaving the Masoretic tradition as the dominant text.
3. Dead Sea Scrolls Evidence
   
   • The Qumran findings (Dead Sea Scrolls) show that multiple textual traditions coexisted before and during Akiva’s time.
   • By the time of the Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE), these variants had largely vanished, supporting the theory of textual suppression over time.

Conclusion

Siegfried Horn’s argument suggests that Rabbi Akiva’s followers played a role in marginalizing or eliminating alternate biblical manuscripts to enforce a standardized Hebrew text. However, historical records do not provide direct proof of large-scale manuscript destruction—rather, they indicate a gradual process of textual consolidation that eventually led to the Masoretic Text.

 

[synergy]

As least though try not to spread videos with misinformation and conspiracy theories like the one you posted so people are not misled.

Here are the real facts for those interested and if anyone disagrees I'm welcome to listen.


Prompts:
Did Rabbi Akiva formulate the Masoretic text?
Did Rabbi Akiva eliminate every manuscript that did not align with his new Hebrew text?
According to Siegfried Horn, Akiva's followers destroyed other manuscripts.

Engine:
ChatGPT-4-turbo

—

The tradition that led to the Masoretic Text (MT) did not begin with a single rabbi but evolved over centuries. However, certain early rabbis and scholars significantly influenced the development of a standardized biblical text.

Key Figures in the Early Standardization of the Text:​

Rabbi Akiva (c. 50–135 CE)

• Rabbi Akiva emphasized the precise reading and interpretation of the Torah, even down to individual letters.
• He advocated for a standardized text, which later influenced the Masoretes.
• His students, such as Rabbi Meir, helped transmit textual traditions.

Rabbi Meir (2nd century CE)

• A disciple of Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir was known for a carefully copied Torah scroll (referred to as "Sefer Torah shel Rabbi Meir").
• Some traditions suggest he contributed to textual standardization.

Rabbi Yose ben Halafta (2nd century CE)

• He played a role in biblical chronology and textual preservation.
• His work contributed to the transmission of an accurate Torah text.

The Shift to the Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE)

• The Masoretes, particularly from Tiberias (e.g., the Ben Asher family) and Babylon, formalized the text with vowel markings (nikkud) and cantillation signs.
• The most famous Masorete, Aaron ben Asher (10th century CE), finalized the Tiberian Masoretic tradition, which became the standard Hebrew Bible text.

Conclusion

While early rabbis like Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Meir helped lay the foundation for a standardized biblical text, the Masoretic Text itself was fully developed by the Masoretes centuries later. The Ben Asher family, particularly Aaron ben Asher, played a key role in finalizing the MT.

—

There is no historical evidence that Rabbi Akiva systematically eliminated every manuscript that did not align with a standardized Hebrew text. However, he did play a significant role in textual standardization during his time. Here’s what we know:

Rabbi Akiva’s Role in Standardizing the Text

• Rabbi Akiva promoted a specific version of the Torah text, emphasizing precise readings and even small textual details.
• His students, such as Rabbi Meir, continued this effort, helping to establish a more uniform text.
• Some traditions suggest that Rabbi Akiva supported the proto-Masoretic text, a forerunner to the later Masoretic tradition.

Did He Destroy Other Manuscripts?

There is no direct historical proof that Rabbi Akiva ordered the destruction of alternate Torah manuscripts. However:

• There was a broader effort in post-Second Temple Judaism (after 70 CE) to unify the text of the Torah, particularly in opposition to competing versions such as the Septuagint (Greek) or the Samaritan Torah.
• The Talmud and other rabbinic texts suggest that Rabbi Akiva’s school rejected non-standard versions, but they do not mention a campaign of physical destruction.
• The Dead Sea Scrolls (3rd century BCE–1st century CE) reveal that multiple versions of biblical texts existed before and during Akiva’s lifetime, suggesting that standardization was a gradual process, not an abrupt purge.

Who Actually Finalized the Masoretic Text?

• The Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE) formalized the text centuries after Akiva, adding vowel markings, cantillation, and marginal notes.
• The Ben Asher family (Tiberian Masoretes) produced the authoritative version of the Hebrew Bible used today.

Conclusion

Rabbi Akiva was a major advocate of textual standardization, and his influence helped shape the later Masoretic tradition. However, there is no historical basis for the claim that he personally eliminated all competing manuscripts. Instead, the process of textual unification took place over centuries, culminating in the Masoretic Text.

—

Siegfried Horn, a respected archaeologist and biblical scholar, suggested that Rabbi Akiva’s followers played a role in suppressing alternate biblical texts to establish a standardized version. While Rabbi Akiva himself may not have ordered the destruction of manuscripts, his disciples and later rabbinic authorities likely favored a single authoritative text and rejected variant readings.

Key Points from Siegfried Horn’s Perspective

1. Rabbinic Standardization Efforts
   • After the destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE), Rabbi Akiva and his followers sought to preserve and unify Jewish tradition.
   • Competing versions of the Hebrew Scriptures existed, including texts similar to the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Samaritan Torah, and the Septuagint.
   • Akiva's disciples aimed to ensure one accepted text, which later evolved into the Masoretic Text.
2. Elimination of Non-Standard Manuscripts
   • Some scholars, including Horn, suggest that Akiva’s school rejected and possibly destroyed manuscripts that did not align with their preferred Hebrew text.
   • This claim aligns with the idea that alternate versions of the Hebrew Bible gradually disappeared, leaving the Masoretic tradition as the dominant text.
3. Dead Sea Scrolls Evidence
   • The Qumran findings (Dead Sea Scrolls) show that multiple textual traditions coexisted before and during Akiva’s time.
   • By the time of the Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE), these variants had largely vanished, supporting the theory of textual suppression over time.

Conclusion

Siegfried Horn’s argument suggests that Rabbi Akiva’s followers played a role in marginalizing or eliminating alternate biblical manuscripts to enforce a standardized Hebrew text. However, historical records do not provide direct proof of large-scale manuscript destruction—rather, they indicate a gradual process of textual consolidation that eventually led to the Masoretic Text.

What about all the OT books written in Greek that the anti-Christian Jews proceeded to rip out of their collection because of their hatred of Christianity?

 

[mikesw]

As least though try not to spread videos with misinformation and conspiracy theories like the one you posted so people are not misled.

Here are the real facts for those interested and if anyone disagrees I'm welcome to listen.


Prompts:
Did Rabbi Akiva formulate the Masoretic text?
Did Rabbi Akiva eliminate every manuscript that did not align with his new Hebrew text?
According to Siegfried Horn, Akiva's followers destroyed other manuscripts.

Engine:
ChatGPT-4-turbo

—

The tradition that led to the Masoretic Text (MT) did not begin with a single rabbi but evolved over centuries. However, certain early rabbis and scholars significantly influenced the development of a standardized biblical text.

Key Figures in the Early Standardization of the Text:​

Rabbi Akiva (c. 50–135 CE)

• Rabbi Akiva emphasized the precise reading and interpretation of the Torah, even down to individual letters.
• He advocated for a standardized text, which later influenced the Masoretes.
• His students, such as Rabbi Meir, helped transmit textual traditions.

Rabbi Meir (2nd century CE)

• A disciple of Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir was known for a carefully copied Torah scroll (referred to as "Sefer Torah shel Rabbi Meir").
• Some traditions suggest he contributed to textual standardization.

Rabbi Yose ben Halafta (2nd century CE)

• He played a role in biblical chronology and textual preservation.
• His work contributed to the transmission of an accurate Torah text.

The Shift to the Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE)

• The Masoretes, particularly from Tiberias (e.g., the Ben Asher family) and Babylon, formalized the text with vowel markings (nikkud) and cantillation signs.
• The most famous Masorete, Aaron ben Asher (10th century CE), finalized the Tiberian Masoretic tradition, which became the standard Hebrew Bible text.

Conclusion

While early rabbis like Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Meir helped lay the foundation for a standardized biblical text, the Masoretic Text itself was fully developed by the Masoretes centuries later. The Ben Asher family, particularly Aaron ben Asher, played a key role in finalizing the MT.

—

There is no historical evidence that Rabbi Akiva systematically eliminated every manuscript that did not align with a standardized Hebrew text. However, he did play a significant role in textual standardization during his time. Here’s what we know:

Rabbi Akiva’s Role in Standardizing the Text

• Rabbi Akiva promoted a specific version of the Torah text, emphasizing precise readings and even small textual details.
• His students, such as Rabbi Meir, continued this effort, helping to establish a more uniform text.
• Some traditions suggest that Rabbi Akiva supported the proto-Masoretic text, a forerunner to the later Masoretic tradition.

Did He Destroy Other Manuscripts?

There is no direct historical proof that Rabbi Akiva ordered the destruction of alternate Torah manuscripts. However:

• There was a broader effort in post-Second Temple Judaism (after 70 CE) to unify the text of the Torah, particularly in opposition to competing versions such as the Septuagint (Greek) or the Samaritan Torah.
• The Talmud and other rabbinic texts suggest that Rabbi Akiva’s school rejected non-standard versions, but they do not mention a campaign of physical destruction.
• The Dead Sea Scrolls (3rd century BCE–1st century CE) reveal that multiple versions of biblical texts existed before and during Akiva’s lifetime, suggesting that standardization was a gradual process, not an abrupt purge.

Who Actually Finalized the Masoretic Text?

• The Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE) formalized the text centuries after Akiva, adding vowel markings, cantillation, and marginal notes.
• The Ben Asher family (Tiberian Masoretes) produced the authoritative version of the Hebrew Bible used today.

Conclusion

Rabbi Akiva was a major advocate of textual standardization, and his influence helped shape the later Masoretic tradition. However, there is no historical basis for the claim that he personally eliminated all competing manuscripts. Instead, the process of textual unification took place over centuries, culminating in the Masoretic Text.

—

Siegfried Horn, a respected archaeologist and biblical scholar, suggested that Rabbi Akiva’s followers played a role in suppressing alternate biblical texts to establish a standardized version. While Rabbi Akiva himself may not have ordered the destruction of manuscripts, his disciples and later rabbinic authorities likely favored a single authoritative text and rejected variant readings.

Key Points from Siegfried Horn’s Perspective

1. Rabbinic Standardization Efforts
   • After the destruction of the Second Temple (70 CE), Rabbi Akiva and his followers sought to preserve and unify Jewish tradition.
   • Competing versions of the Hebrew Scriptures existed, including texts similar to the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Samaritan Torah, and the Septuagint.
   • Akiva's disciples aimed to ensure one accepted text, which later evolved into the Masoretic Text.
2. Elimination of Non-Standard Manuscripts
   • Some scholars, including Horn, suggest that Akiva’s school rejected and possibly destroyed manuscripts that did not align with their preferred Hebrew text.
   • This claim aligns with the idea that alternate versions of the Hebrew Bible gradually disappeared, leaving the Masoretic tradition as the dominant text.
3. Dead Sea Scrolls Evidence
   • The Qumran findings (Dead Sea Scrolls) show that multiple textual traditions coexisted before and during Akiva’s time.
   • By the time of the Masoretes (6th–10th centuries CE), these variants had largely vanished, supporting the theory of textual suppression over time.

Conclusion

Siegfried Horn’s argument suggests that Rabbi Akiva’s followers played a role in marginalizing or eliminating alternate biblical manuscripts to enforce a standardized Hebrew text. However, historical records do not provide direct proof of large-scale manuscript destruction—rather, they indicate a gradual process of textual consolidation that eventually led to the Masoretic Text.

That does not sound much different from what I shared. The one shared maybe was condensing actions done by various others after him. The other detail is that the changing of scribal approaches and providing a specific version, including a different font, can change the details of subsequent copies. I understand that the one they copied was destroyed so eventually the old ones were destroyed. It is okay whatever you correct of this. I'm just checking ideas.