Mary, the mother of the Lord
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Carol
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The unborn Child in Mary's womb is referred to as Elizabeth's "Lord."
Mary was the earthly, human mother of Jesus incarnate. She was an unmarried virgin engaged to a man named Joseph when the Holy Spirit overshadowed her, and she supernaturally conceived Jesus. She was only chosen to bear the Savior in her womb by God's grace and unmerited favor.
Mary was a sinner needing a Savior.
Mary said; My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
Luke 1:46-47
Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord (as it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord, and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.
Luke 2:22-24
Mary was the earthly, human mother of Jesus incarnate. She was an unmarried virgin engaged to a man named Joseph when the Holy Spirit overshadowed her, and she supernaturally conceived Jesus. She was only chosen to bear the Savior in her womb by God's grace and unmerited favor.
Mary was a sinner needing a Savior.
Mary said; My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
Luke 1:46-47
Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord (as it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male who opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord, and to offer a sacrifice according to what is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.
Luke 2:22-24
Olde Tymer
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I rather suspect she was speaking of Messiah because the angel said Mary's baby
would not only be born a son of God, but also be given the throne of his ancestor
David. (Luke 1:32)
NOTE: David's kings started off known as sons of God (2Sam 7:12-14) I'm not sure
if his line retained that distinction but for sure Jesus did.
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Olde Tymer
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FAQ: Was Jesus born with normal blood or with divine blood?
REPLY: Jesus was put on track to take David's throne.
● Luke 1:31-33 . .You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him
the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord
God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of
Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.
Candidates under consideration for David's throne have to be-- first and foremost --one
of his natural descendants.
● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it: "Of
the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"
The New Testament verifies Jesus is the fruit of David's body spoken of in that oath.
● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David,
that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day. Therefore
being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of
his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.
● Rom 1:3 . . . His son; descended from David according to the flesh
The thing is: according to Lev 17:11, the life of the flesh is in the blood. So if the life in
Jesus flesh had been God's blood instead of David's blood, then Jesus' flesh would not
have been David's flesh; and Jesus would've failed to qualify for David's throne.
FAQ: Why do some Christians insist the blood in Jesus' flesh was God's blood instead
of human blood?
REPLY: They sincerely believe human blood isn't pure enough to atone for the sins of
the entire human race. However, according to 1Pet 1:19 Jesus had only to be a lamb
without blemish or spot. In other words; he had only to be 100% innocent of any wrong
doing of his own; and according to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, and
1John 3:9 he was.
* The bottom line is the Word came into the world not as a divine man, but instead he
came as a Jewish man. (Gen 49:8-10, Rom 8:3, Heb 7:14) In point of fact; it was
absolutely essential for the Word to come into the world as a Jew. (Heb 2:16-18)
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FAQ: Was Jesus born with normal blood or with divine blood?
REPLY: Jesus was put on track to take David's throne.
● Luke 1:31-33 . .You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him
the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord
God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of
Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.
Candidates under consideration for David's throne have to be-- first and foremost --one
of his natural descendants.
● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn in truth unto David; and He will not turn from it: "Of
the fruit of your body will I set upon your throne"
The New Testament verifies Jesus is the fruit of David's body spoken of in that oath.
● Acts 2:29-30 . . Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David,
that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day. Therefore
being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of
his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne.
● Rom 1:3 . . . His son; descended from David according to the flesh
The thing is: according to Lev 17:11, the life of the flesh is in the blood. So if the life in
Jesus flesh had been God's blood instead of David's blood, then Jesus' flesh would not
have been David's flesh; and Jesus would've failed to qualify for David's throne.
FAQ: Why do some Christians insist the blood in Jesus' flesh was God's blood instead
of human blood?
REPLY: They sincerely believe human blood isn't pure enough to atone for the sins of
the entire human race. However, according to 1Pet 1:19 Jesus had only to be a lamb
without blemish or spot. In other words; he had only to be 100% innocent of any wrong
doing of his own; and according to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1Pet 2:22, and
1John 3:9 he was.
* The bottom line is the Word came into the world not as a divine man, but instead he
came as a Jewish man. (Gen 49:8-10, Rom 8:3, Heb 7:14) In point of fact; it was
absolutely essential for the Word to come into the world as a Jew. (Heb 2:16-18)
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Runningman
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This thread didn't receive the traction it deserves. Mary is not the mother of God the Lord. Mary is the mother of a human Lord.
dwight92070
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Of course He was human. But if that's all He was, then why was it necessary for the Holy Spirit to come upon Mary, and the power of the Most High, the Father, the Creator, to overshadow Mary, and why was He called the Holy Child and the Son of God?
And if He was just human, why didn't God let Joseph be his father?
And if He was just human, why didn't God let Joseph be his father?
Olde Tymer
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I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church and in time became
competent enough with elementary catechism to complete First Holy Communion
and Confirmation. I remained on Rome's path 24 years so I know for myself just
how difficult it is to attain Heaven by means of that religion's faith and practices.
As a young Catholic, I sincerely believed I needed Mary's assistance; but what I
eventually found out is that what I desperately needed, and didn't know it, was a
Passover lamb.
When the Lord journeyed thru the land of Egypt during the original Passover
described in the 12th chapter of Exodus; He wasn't looking for piety, nor
repentance, nor charity, nor faith, nor religion, nor perseverance, nor courage, nor
confession, nor kindness, nor tithing, nor weeping, nor prayers, nor morality, nor
baptism, nor gender, nor age, nor ethnic identity, nor would it have mattered if
people inside some of the homes didn't taste their lamb because the Lord was
looking for only one thing: the blood.
Now as long as the blood was applied as directed; even the Wiccans, the Voodoo
priests, the mediums, the terrorists, the Hamas, the Hezbollah, the Syrians, the
Palestinians, the LGBT, and North Korea's Kim family dynasty would've been safe
inside those homes because the people's personal conduct was unimportant that
night.
● 1 Cor 5:7 . . Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed for us.
FAQ: How might someone participate in Christ's Passover?
REPLY: I suggest an RSVP
Find a quiet spot, anyplace will do, even a stall in the men's room.
Cover your face with your hands for a sense of connection and tell God, in your own
words, out loud or under your breath, that you thus far haven't measured up to His
standards and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you'd like to take
advantage of His son's crucifixion to protect yourself from retribution.
People need speak up like that only once and never again because Christ's
crucifixion is very much superior to the Levitical atonement system.
For example: the great day of atonement, a.k.a. Yom Kippur, is always catching up;
it can't even keep up, let alone get ahead. The moment the annual ritual ends,
people begin accumulating sins towards the next Yom Kippur; which is a whole year
away.
In contrast, Jesus' crucifixion atoned for the people's entire lifetime-- their past life,
their current life, and tomorrow's life. Consequently those who take advantage of
his crucifixion to protect themselves from retribution are guaranteed to be passed
over at the great white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15 where people that
are unprotected will be slammed with a mode of death akin to a foundry worker
falling into a kettle of molten iron.
_
I was baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church and in time became
competent enough with elementary catechism to complete First Holy Communion
and Confirmation. I remained on Rome's path 24 years so I know for myself just
how difficult it is to attain Heaven by means of that religion's faith and practices.
As a young Catholic, I sincerely believed I needed Mary's assistance; but what I
eventually found out is that what I desperately needed, and didn't know it, was a
Passover lamb.
When the Lord journeyed thru the land of Egypt during the original Passover
described in the 12th chapter of Exodus; He wasn't looking for piety, nor
repentance, nor charity, nor faith, nor religion, nor perseverance, nor courage, nor
confession, nor kindness, nor tithing, nor weeping, nor prayers, nor morality, nor
baptism, nor gender, nor age, nor ethnic identity, nor would it have mattered if
people inside some of the homes didn't taste their lamb because the Lord was
looking for only one thing: the blood.
Now as long as the blood was applied as directed; even the Wiccans, the Voodoo
priests, the mediums, the terrorists, the Hamas, the Hezbollah, the Syrians, the
Palestinians, the LGBT, and North Korea's Kim family dynasty would've been safe
inside those homes because the people's personal conduct was unimportant that
night.
● 1 Cor 5:7 . . Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed for us.
FAQ: How might someone participate in Christ's Passover?
REPLY: I suggest an RSVP
Find a quiet spot, anyplace will do, even a stall in the men's room.
Cover your face with your hands for a sense of connection and tell God, in your own
words, out loud or under your breath, that you thus far haven't measured up to His
standards and you're pretty sure you never will. Tell Him you'd like to take
advantage of His son's crucifixion to protect yourself from retribution.
People need speak up like that only once and never again because Christ's
crucifixion is very much superior to the Levitical atonement system.
For example: the great day of atonement, a.k.a. Yom Kippur, is always catching up;
it can't even keep up, let alone get ahead. The moment the annual ritual ends,
people begin accumulating sins towards the next Yom Kippur; which is a whole year
away.
In contrast, Jesus' crucifixion atoned for the people's entire lifetime-- their past life,
their current life, and tomorrow's life. Consequently those who take advantage of
his crucifixion to protect themselves from retribution are guaranteed to be passed
over at the great white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15 where people that
are unprotected will be slammed with a mode of death akin to a foundry worker
falling into a kettle of molten iron.
_
Pancho Frijoles
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To me, God, by definition, cannot have mother, father, brother or son.
Families are made to support the perpetuation of a species.
But God's "species", so to speak, is formed by a single individual, who is eternal and therefore, without any need to perpetuate by reproduction, and with no need to be helped, supported, educated, etc. by anyone else.
Having said that, my deepest appreciation for Mary, as an extremely blessed woman, paradigm of submission to God, example for everyone.
Families are made to support the perpetuation of a species.
But God's "species", so to speak, is formed by a single individual, who is eternal and therefore, without any need to perpetuate by reproduction, and with no need to be helped, supported, educated, etc. by anyone else.
Having said that, my deepest appreciation for Mary, as an extremely blessed woman, paradigm of submission to God, example for everyone.
May you and your Islamic way of viewing God be happy with each other.
