Lordship Salvation in a Nutshell

[Soyeong]

"for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God" The term "hearers" can refer to-

rabbinical usage which had a specialized sense of rabbinical students of the Torah
those who heard the Scriptures read in synagogue

Remember the writers of the NT were Hebrew thinkers writing in Koine Greek. Therefore, word analysis must begin with the Septuagint, not a Greek lexicon.

The term "just" or "justified" (dikē in all its forms) is a crucial term in Paul's theology (cf. Rom. 3:4, 20,24,26,28,30; 4:2,5; 5:1,9; 6:7; 8:30,33). The words "just," "justify," "justification," "right," and "righteousness" are all derived from dikaios. In Hebrew (tsadag, BDB 843) it originally referred to a long straight reed (15 to 20 feet) which was used to measure things, such as walls or fences, for plumb. It came to be used metaphorically of God as the standard of judgment.



In Paul's writings the term had two foci. First, God's own righteousness is given to sinful mankind as a free gift through faith in Christ. This is often called imputed righteousness or forensic righteousness. It refers to one's legal standing before a righteous God. This is the origin of Paul's famous "justification by grace through faith" theme.

Second, God's activity of restoring sinful mankind into His image (cf. Gen. 1:26-27), or to put it another way, to bring about Christlikeness. This verse-like Matt. 7:24; Luke 8:21 and 11:28; John 13:17; James 1:22-23,25-urges believers to be doers not just hearers.

Imputed righteousness (justification) must result in righteous living (sanctification). God forgives and changes sinners! Paul's usage was both legal and ethical.

The New Covenant gives humans a legal standing but also demands a godly lifestyle. It is free, but costly!

Johann.

To be righteous means to be someone who practices righteousness, so being imputed with righteous living does not result in righteous living, but rather righteous living is intrinsically part of what it means to have imputed righteousness.

The content of a gift can itself be experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where that experience intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it, but where doing that work has not to do with trying to earn the opportunity as a wage. Likewise, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience, and the same is true for getting to have the gift of experiencing the righteousness of God through obeying His law.

 

[Johann]

To be righteous means to be someone who practices righteousness, so being imputed with righteous living does not result in righteous living, but rather righteous living is intrinsically part of what it means to have imputed righteousness.

The content of a gift can itself be experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where that experience intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it, but where doing that work has not to do with trying to earn the opportunity as a wage. Likewise, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience, and the same is true for getting to have the gift of experiencing the righteousness of God through obeying His law.

Reminds me of this-

Jas 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jas 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

J.

 

[Sabertooth]

I do not see why this is considered to be a controversy.
Once we are convicted of our sin,
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just

• to forgive us our sins and
• to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9 NKJV

We can keep getting right, if that is our heart's desire.

If we reject His conviction, it is like the seed that fell on the stony & thorny ground. It had a great start, but did not continue.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13:1-9, Matthew 13:18-23 - New King James Version

The Parable of the Sower - On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower...

www.biblegateway.com

 

[civic]

I do not see why this is considered to be a controversy.
Once we are convicted of our sin,
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just

• to forgive us our sins and
• to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9 NKJV

We can keep getting right, if that is our heart's desire.

If we reject His conviction, it is like the seed that fell on the stony & thorny ground. It had a great start, but did not continue.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13:1-9, Matthew 13:18-23 - New King James Version

The Parable of the Sower - On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower...

www.biblegateway.com

Agreed

 

[Gideon300]

The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority. That, in a nutshell is what “lordship salvation” teaches.

Surrender to Jesus’ lordship is not an addendum to the biblical terms of salvation; the summons to submission is at the heart of the gospel invitation throughout Scripture.

Those who criticize lordship salvation like to level the charge that we teach a system of works-based righteousness. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Christ’s death on the cross paid the full penalty for our sins and purchased eternal salvation. His atoning sacrifice enables God to justify sinners freely without compromising the perfection of divine righteousness Romans 3:24–26. His resurrection from the dead declares His victory over sin and death 1 Cor. 15:54–57

Salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone—plus and minus nothing Eph. 2:8–9

Sinners cannot earn salvation or favor with God Romans 8:8

God requires of those who are saved no preparatory works or prerequisite self-improvement Romans 10:13 ; 1 Tim. 1:15

Eternal life is a gift of God Romans 6:23

Believers are saved and fully justified before their faith ever produces a single righteous work Eph. 2:10

Christians can and do sin 1 John 1:8 , 10. Even the strongest Christians wage a constant and intense struggle against sin in the flesh Romans 7:15–24. Genuine believers sometimes commit heinous sins, as David did in 2 Samuel 11.

Real faith inevitably produces a changed life 2 Cor. 5:17. Salvation includes a transformation of the inner person Gal. 2:20. The nature of the Christian is different, new Romans 6:6. The unbroken pattern of sin and enmity with God will not continue when a person is born again 1 John 3:9–10.

The Gospel According to Jesus by John F. MacArthur Jr.

I will beat this drum as often as I can. There are two salvations, the initial, born again experience and the on-going salvation of the soul. Lordship is an outworking of the born again experience. I was led to the Lord by a man who was a keen evangelist. He used the "Roman Road" method. I was convicted of sin and gladly accepted Christ there and then. I knew nothing of the Lordship of Christ. Some months later, I went to a meeting where Brother Andrew, famous as God's smuggler. I'd never heard of him. He shared some of his amazing testimony, then called on people to accept the Lordship of Christ. I saw that it was necessary and so I did ask Jesus to be my Lord.

The second salvation begins with accepting the Lordship of Christ. It is much better to include this in the intial gospel message. However, some get born again without that knowledge. And God will ensure that the new believer has the opportunity to accept Jesus as Lord. By the way, we do not "make" Jesus Lord. He is Lord already. We accept His Lordship as His right. Initially, it may seem hard as the rebellious self objects. Once we realise how good God's will is, we will gladly exchange self will for His.

 

[Soyeong]

I will beat this drum as often as I can. There are two salvations, the initial, born again experience and the on-going salvation of the soul. Lordship is an outworking of the born again experience. I was led to the Lord by a man who was a keen evangelist. He used the "Roman Road" method. I was convicted of sin and gladly accepted Christ there and then. I knew nothing of the Lordship of Christ. Some months later, I went to a meeting where Brother Andrew, famous as God's smuggler. I'd never heard of him. He shared some of his amazing testimony, then called on people to accept the Lordship of Christ. I saw that it was necessary and so I did ask Jesus to be my Lord.

The second salvation begins with accepting the Lordship of Christ. It is much better to include this in the intial gospel message. However, some get born again without that knowledge. And God will ensure that the new believer has the opportunity to accept Jesus as Lord. By the way, we do not "make" Jesus Lord. He is Lord already. We accept His Lordship as His right. Initially, it may seem hard as the rebellious self objects. Once we realise how good God's will is, we will gladly exchange self will for His.

The "Roman Road" includes Romana 10:9 that instructs us to confess that Jesus is Lord, so it seems odd to me that he used it without teaching you anything about the Lordship of Christ. Being born again is synonymous with submitting to Jesus as Lord, though it is possible for someone to live in a manner that is born again without realizing that that manner is the way to submit to Jesus as Lord. We need to be saved both from the penalty of our sin and from continuing to live in sin because our salvation from sin would be incomplete if either were lacking, so I see that as two aspects of the same salvation rather than as two salvations.

 

[Gideon300]

The "Roman Road" includes Romana 10:9 that instructs us to confess that Jesus is Lord, so it seems odd to me that he used it without teaching you anything about the Lordship of Christ. Being born again is synonymous with submitting to Jesus as Lord, though it is possible for someone to live in a manner that is born again without realizing that that manner is the way to submit to Jesus as Lord. We need to be saved both from the penalty of our sin and from continuing to live in sin because our salvation from sin would be incomplete if either were lacking, so I see that as two aspects of the same salvation rather than as two salvations.

You and a whole lot of others declare Romans 10:9, including a Science Professor who is also an effective evangelist. I subscribe to his email updates and he leads two or three people to the Lord each week. I've never said anything to him about the distinction, but Romans 10:9 is written to believers, not the lost.

John 1:12 states what is required to be born again. Nothing about Lordship in that verse. So no, it is not synonymous. The evangelical Methodist who led me to Jesus did not mention Romans 10:9. I was convicted of sin, scared to death and the most relieved person on earth when he told me that Jesus died to save me. I accepted gladly. That's the abridged version, course.

I do not believe that an unsaved person can submit to the Lordship of Christ. Rebellion is inherent in human nature. I do believe that it is good to preach Christ as Lord. I do not believe that it is essential for salvation.

 

[Soyeong]

You and a whole lot of others declare Romans 10:9, including a Science Professor who is also an effective evangelist. I subscribe to his email updates and he leads two or three people to the Lord each week. I've never said anything to him about the distinction, but Romans 10:9 is written to believers, not the lost.

In Romans 10:5-10, our faith references Deuteronomy 30:11-16 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to saying that God's law is not too difficult to obey, that the one who obeys it will attain life by it, in regard to what we are agreeing to obey when we confess that Jesus is Lord, and in regard to the way to believe that God rose him from the dead.

John 1:12 states what is required to be born again. Nothing about Lordship in that verse. So no, it is not synonymous. The evangelical Methodist who led me to Jesus did not mention Romans 10:9. I was convicted of sin, scared to death and the most relieved person on earth when he told me that Jesus died to save me. I accepted gladly. That's the abridged version, course.

We need to receive Jesus and to believe in His name and God's law is His instructions for how to do that. In other words, us embodying God's word is the way to receive the one who is the embodiment of God's word and is also the way to submit to him as Lord. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so repenting after being convicted of sin is again the way to submit to Jesus as Lord. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross.

I do not believe that an unsaved person can submit to the Lordship of Christ. Rebellion is inherent in human nature. I do believe that it is good to preach Christ as Lord. I do not believe that it is essential for salvation.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and God's law is how we know what sin is (Romans 3:20), so while we do not earn our salvation by obeying it, living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the concept of him saving us from not living in obedience to it, which is submitting to Christ as Lord, and which is essential for salvation. While the unsaved person can't submit to the Lordship of Christ, submitting to His Lordship through faith is the way to become saved.

 

[Gideon300]

I'll not argue with you. I read the same Bible as you and come to much different conclusions. I don't accept your conclusions and you don't accept mine. Fine. One day, all will become clear to all.

 

[civic]

I'll not argue with you. I read the same Bible as you and come to much different conclusions. I don't accept your conclusions and you don't accept mine. Fine. One day, all will become clear to all.

How can you differentiate between 2 salvation and 2 new births ?

Don't we experience salvation from the new birth. Don't we become saved when we receive the Holy Spirit in our hearts and become new creations in Christ Jesus ?

 

[Gideon300]

How can you differentiate between 2 salvation and 2 new births ?

Don't we experience salvation from the new birth. Don't we become saved when we receive the Holy Spirit in our hearts and become new creations in Christ Jesus ?

You need to redefine salvation. There are two salvations stated in the NT. Unfortunately, the word "save" has lost a lot of its meaning. We are born again when we receive Christ. John 1:12. God puts us into Jesus and Jesus gives us His Holy Spirit. The part of man that is born again is the spirit.

The second salvation is as Jesus described in Luke 4:18. It would make more sense if we replaced "save" with "deliver". This is the salvation/deliverance of the soul from the many influences of the world that we are programmed with. We are taught that pride, rebellion and independence are good qualities. We do not automatically have a renewed mind and a will that never resists the will of God. I wish! It would have saved me a great deal of trouble! It means carrying the cross - denying the desires of self every day and choosing God's will instead. I've had to make really tough choices because God's will and mine were at odds. Eventually, I realised that God's will is the best and that my ways are inferior. Oh, we can all say that in theory. But when your most precious thing has to go in order to satisfy God's will, theory means nothing. If we will give up self will, we become much stronger and receive great blessing. If we do not, we hinder our walk with God and remain bound in that area of our lives.

For example, I was invited, by my son, to his sixth birthday party. At the time I was separated from my wife. I agreed to go. How could I resist my son's crying on the phone? The Lord told me not to go. I cannot tell you how hard it was to say that I was not going. However, I was flooded with peace when I did. Some 15 years later, my son told me that it was a miserable day for him. His mother invited her friends and they basically ignored him. If I had been there, I have no doubt that I would have exploded in a decidedly unchristian way. Not long after, my ex wife moved to a new house and refused to tell me where. It was a miracle that I found my kids again.

 

[Maurice]

You need to redefine salvation. There are two salvations stated in the NT. Unfortunately, the word "save" has lost a lot of its meaning. We are born again when we receive Christ. John 1:12. God puts us into Jesus and Jesus gives us His Holy Spirit. The part of man that is born again is the spirit.

The second salvation is as Jesus described in Luke 4:18. It would make more sense if we replaced "save" with "deliver". This is the salvation/deliverance of the soul from the many influences of the world that we are programmed with. We are taught that pride, rebellion and independence are good qualities. We do not automatically have a renewed mind and a will that never resists the will of God. I wish! It would have saved me a great deal of trouble! It means carrying the cross - denying the desires of self every day and choosing God's will instead. I've had to make really tough choices because God's will and mine were at odds. Eventually, I realised that God's will is the best and that my ways are inferior. Oh, we can all say that in theory. But when your most precious thing has to go in order to satisfy God's will, theory means nothing. If we will give up self will, we become much stronger and receive great blessing. If we do not, we hinder our walk with God and remain bound in that area of our lives.

For example, I was invited, by my son, to his sixth birthday party. At the time I was separated from my wife. I agreed to go. How could I resist my son's crying on the phone? The Lord told me not to go. I cannot tell you how hard it was to say that I was not going. However, I was flooded with peace when I did. Some 15 years later, my son told me that it was a miserable day for him. His mother invited her friends and they basically ignored him. If I had been there, I have no doubt that I would have exploded in a decidedly unchristian way. Not long after, my ex wife moved to a new house and refused to tell me where. It was a miracle that I found my kids again.

I'm glad you're a Christian and I'm glad you found your kids again. A lot of people really go off the deep end over situations like that. I respect you Brother. And I pray for your son that your knowledge and wisdom is passed on to him.

 

[Gideon300]

I'm glad you're a Christian and I'm glad you found your kids again. A lot of people really go off the deep end over situations like that. I respect you Brother. And I pray for your son that your knowledge and wisdom is passed on to him.

All glory to Jesus. If you'd known me then, you would have been far from impressed. I owe everything to Jesus and the people He put around me. They helped through a time of deep depression and hopelessness. I hope that I can encourage others as Jesus helped me.

 

[Ozias]

All glory to Jesus. If you'd known me then, you would have been far from impressed. I owe everything to Jesus and the people He put around me. They helped through a time of deep depression and hopelessness. I hope that I can encourage others as Jesus helped me.

If you don't mind my budding in, I know how the world can beat us up. You've encouraged me I can tell you that. It's amazing what Jesus can do. He can make rocks cry out.

 

[Gideon300]

If you don't mind my budding in, I know how the world can beat us up. You've encouraged me I can tell you that. It's amazing what Jesus can do. He can make rocks cry out.

Glad to hear it. "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God.…" 2 Corinthians 1:3

 

[Maurice]

This is what I like to see on the Forum, Is people encouraging with each other and doing what Jesus commanded is to do "love one another." We are all part of one body, the body of Christ. We all have different functions but if the foot's messed up the whole body suffers. It's biblical.

 

[civic]

This is what I like to see on the Forum, Is people encouraging each other and doing what Jesus commanded is to do "love one another." We are all part of one body the body of Christ. We all have different functions but if the foot's messed up the whole body suffers. It's biblical.

Amen it’s great to see !

 

[Behold]

To be righteous means to be someone who practices righteousness,

A sinner practicing righteousness is as hell bound as a sinner who is not.

 

[Soyeong]

A sinner practicing righteousness is as hell bound as a sinner who is not.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

 

[Behold]

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

when John is addressing "little Children", he is talking to the Born again, who have already become "the righteousness of God in Christ".

Also.... doing good works, and "trying to be like Christ", and obsessing on the LAW of MOSES.... is not "practicing righteousness."

How do you know?
Because a Hell bound SINNER can do ALL that......and it does not make them "righteous". It makes them RELIGIOUS.... it makes them SELF Righteous.