Looking for Job
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A hard situation does not make sin okay.
That's not the way it works.
Notice what Elihu says here:
36 Oh, that Job were tried to the utmost, Because his answers are like those of wicked men!
37 For he adds rebellion to his sin; He claps his hands among us, And multiplies his words against God." (Job 34:36-37 NKJ)
I want you to notice Elihu was not rebuked nor his words disavowed. That means he was telling the truth here.
If you curse your birthday you are deliberately wishing for suicide, calling upon the powers of Satan, and spitting at the gift of life.
Job also definitely accused God in several ways, and claimed to be more righteous than he was:
5 Are Your days like the days of a mortal man? Are Your years like the days of a mighty man,
6 That You should seek for my iniquity And search out my sin,
7 Although You know that I am not wicked, And there is no one who can deliver from Your hand? (Job 10:5-7 NKJ)
Here Job accuses God of deliberately trying to seek out sins in Job and make him look worse and judge him harsher than is right.
Look at what it says here:
Job 32:1 So these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. (Job 32:1 NKJ)
Now, brother, I understand the need for heros and people to look up, and it is not necessarily wrong.
But we must not idolize a Biblical character, that is just wrong.
They are sinners too.
- No problem!
- I have been reading and discussing the book of Job so many times!
- As if I was speaking with them!
- I have read and answered every paragraph of your text!
- I would do the same with Daniel and Samuel!
- My answers come naturally and directly!
51) Looking for Job
Job 9:
He is wise in heart and mighty in power.
Who can resist him and come off
uninjured?
- What a balance “wise in heart and mighty in power”!
- What a balance “wise and mighty”
- Are there better words to qualify God?
- And Job knows God personally!
- These words are a testimony!
- Also about his faithfulness!
- What powerful words!
Job 9:
He is wise in heart and mighty in power.
Who can resist him and come off
uninjured?
- What a balance “wise in heart and mighty in power”!
- What a balance “wise and mighty”
- Are there better words to qualify God?
- And Job knows God personally!
- These words are a testimony!
- Also about his faithfulness!
- What powerful words!
52) Looking for Job
Job 9:
He moves mountains without anyone knowing it;
He overturns them in his anger.
- Do we often think of God’s power?
- Like Job, we just have to think of forces of nature such as : EARTHQUAKES, VOLCANOES, TORNADOES, HURRICANES
- We can’t control them
- They were made by God
Job 9:
He moves mountains without anyone knowing it;
He overturns them in his anger.
- Do we often think of God’s power?
- Like Job, we just have to think of forces of nature such as : EARTHQUAKES, VOLCANOES, TORNADOES, HURRICANES
- We can’t control them
- They were made by God
53) Looking for Job
Job 9:
He shakes the earth out of its place,
So that its pillars tremble.
- All the forces of nature made by God are powerful!
- Many people die every year because of them!
- And as the human population keeps growing, the death toll increases too!
- Because of human activities we may increase their consequences!
- But man always thinks of the present and not of the future!
Job 9:
He shakes the earth out of its place,
So that its pillars tremble.
- All the forces of nature made by God are powerful!
- Many people die every year because of them!
- And as the human population keeps growing, the death toll increases too!
- Because of human activities we may increase their consequences!
- But man always thinks of the present and not of the future!
54) Looking for Job
Job 9
He commands the sun not to shine
And seals off the light of the stars;
- Just thinking of the sun and the stars and thus the infinite universe is just crazy!
- It reminds us that we are nothing and we know nothing!
- And the universe keeps growing: that’s completely crazy!
Job 9
He commands the sun not to shine
And seals off the light of the stars;
- Just thinking of the sun and the stars and thus the infinite universe is just crazy!
- It reminds us that we are nothing and we know nothing!
- And the universe keeps growing: that’s completely crazy!
55) Looking for Job
Job 9
He spreads out the heavens by himself,
And he treads upon the high waves of the sea.
- The universe is made of emptiness and yet there is so much activity
- And everything is balanced, the whole keeps together in spite of everything going in every direction!
- And we can say the same with the oceans: there are so powerful!
- And yet the only thing we find is polluting them and destroying life inside!
- We can see the majesty of God and man appears as a rat: but he will never be able to destroy God’s creation!
Job 9
He spreads out the heavens by himself,
And he treads upon the high waves of the sea.
- The universe is made of emptiness and yet there is so much activity
- And everything is balanced, the whole keeps together in spite of everything going in every direction!
- And we can say the same with the oceans: there are so powerful!
- And yet the only thing we find is polluting them and destroying life inside!
- We can see the majesty of God and man appears as a rat: but he will never be able to destroy God’s creation!
56) Looking for Job
Job 9:
He made the Ash, the kesil, and the Kimah
constellations,
And the constellations of the southern
sky;
- Just opening our eyes at night when we can see some stars!
- Everything made by God is incredible!
- We can’t say the same with man!
- On the contrary, man is a pale imitator!
- Man can only destroy and pollute!
Job 9:
He made the Ash, the kesil, and the Kimah
constellations,
And the constellations of the southern
sky;
- Just opening our eyes at night when we can see some stars!
- Everything made by God is incredible!
- We can’t say the same with man!
- On the contrary, man is a pale imitator!
- Man can only destroy and pollute!
58) Looking for Job
Job 9:
He passes by me, and I cannot see him;
He moves past me, but I do not discern him.
- God’s creation tells about god himself!
- We don’t understand his creation: that’s one thing!
- But God himself: no way, he is unbelievable!
- We can only approach his nature through his creation looking down!
Job 9:
He passes by me, and I cannot see him;
He moves past me, but I do not discern him.
- God’s creation tells about god himself!
- We don’t understand his creation: that’s one thing!
- But God himself: no way, he is unbelievable!
- We can only approach his nature through his creation looking down!
59) Looking for Job
Job 9:
When he snatches something, who can resist
him?
Who can say to him, “What are you doing?”
- God could have erased the devil and the demons and Adam and so on as the ridiculous human dictators usually do!
- But no, he let them all act to prove through God’s justice that they are liars and that God is the only one who can govern the universe and all its creatures!
- That’s why we have to bear human rats acting and bringing misery to humanity till God would have proved we are only rats unable to govern ourselves!
- That’s why we have to wait for God to put an end to this FARCE!
Job 9:
When he snatches something, who can resist
him?
Who can say to him, “What are you doing?”
- God could have erased the devil and the demons and Adam and so on as the ridiculous human dictators usually do!
- But no, he let them all act to prove through God’s justice that they are liars and that God is the only one who can govern the universe and all its creatures!
- That’s why we have to bear human rats acting and bringing misery to humanity till God would have proved we are only rats unable to govern ourselves!
- That’s why we have to wait for God to put an end to this FARCE!
60) Looking for Job
Job 9:
God will not restrain his anger;
Even the helpers of Rahab will bow down to him.
- When we think about the Israelites, they had to pay the price for their unfaithfulness and it happened many times I would say all the time!
- But Moses could prevent God from annihilating them all at once!
- So here again God is incredible because there is no one like him but he lets faithful human beings influence him: this is unbelievable!
Job 9:
God will not restrain his anger;
Even the helpers of Rahab will bow down to him.
- When we think about the Israelites, they had to pay the price for their unfaithfulness and it happened many times I would say all the time!
- But Moses could prevent God from annihilating them all at once!
- So here again God is incredible because there is no one like him but he lets faithful human beings influence him: this is unbelievable!
61) Looking for Job
Job 9:
How much more when I answer him
Must I choose my words carefully to argue
with him!
- This verse is incredible: it tells a lot about Job’s relationship with God!
- You can be close to someone but yet show respect and here Job says “choose my words carefully to argue with him”!
- I don’t remember something so deep!
Job 9:
How much more when I answer him
Must I choose my words carefully to argue
with him!
- This verse is incredible: it tells a lot about Job’s relationship with God!
- You can be close to someone but yet show respect and here Job says “choose my words carefully to argue with him”!
- I don’t remember something so deep!
62) Looking for Job
Job 9:
Even if I were in the right, I would not answer him.
I could only plead for mercy from my judge.
- What does being right in front of God mean?
- He is the creator of everything!
- The universe is incredible!
- We don’t know anything!
- We have everything to learn from God!
- Even the possibility of living forever in the future won’t be enough!
Job 9:
Even if I were in the right, I would not answer him.
I could only plead for mercy from my judge.
- What does being right in front of God mean?
- He is the creator of everything!
- The universe is incredible!
- We don’t know anything!
- We have everything to learn from God!
- Even the possibility of living forever in the future won’t be enough!
63) Looking for Job
Job 9:
If I call out to him, will he answer me?
I do not believe that he will listen to my voice,
- A human being is nothing compared to God!
- A creator of the universe and one small creature of his creation!
- Just think about the few cases who had the opportunity to have a personal contact with him!
Job 9:
If I call out to him, will he answer me?
I do not believe that he will listen to my voice,
- A human being is nothing compared to God!
- A creator of the universe and one small creature of his creation!
- Just think about the few cases who had the opportunity to have a personal contact with him!
64) Looking for Job
Job 9:
For he crushes me with a storm
And multiplies my wounds for no reason.
- Here we go: Now Job finally speaks about what happened to him. He lost everything and even his health and so on. And here is the point: he only knows God and he has always served him faithfully and he has been blessed by him. And he keeps being faithful and he has lost everything all at once and he knows that it is not natural! So he can only think about God and he doesn’t understand why!
- Think about the Israelites: they only knew God! When they acted according to God’s will, they were blessed, but when they acted against him, they were struck!
- So the devil is really tricky because he knows that and he knows that Job will think that God is against him without any reason! So it is really insane!
- NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS ESSENTIAL ELEMENT AND WE MISS THE WHOLE STORY!
Job 9:
For he crushes me with a storm
And multiplies my wounds for no reason.
- Here we go: Now Job finally speaks about what happened to him. He lost everything and even his health and so on. And here is the point: he only knows God and he has always served him faithfully and he has been blessed by him. And he keeps being faithful and he has lost everything all at once and he knows that it is not natural! So he can only think about God and he doesn’t understand why!
- Think about the Israelites: they only knew God! When they acted according to God’s will, they were blessed, but when they acted against him, they were struck!
- So the devil is really tricky because he knows that and he knows that Job will think that God is against him without any reason! So it is really insane!
- NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS ESSENTIAL ELEMENT AND WE MISS THE WHOLE STORY!
65) Looking for Job
Job 9:
He does not let me catch my breath;
He keeps filling me with bitter things.
- Of course! And Job speaks about his physical and mental health!
- He speaks about his stress and his anguish and his lack of rest: In fact, he has no rest!
- It is worst than torture!
Job 9:
He does not let me catch my breath;
He keeps filling me with bitter things.
- Of course! And Job speaks about his physical and mental health!
- He speaks about his stress and his anguish and his lack of rest: In fact, he has no rest!
- It is worst than torture!
66) Looking for Job
Job 9:
it is a matter of power, he is the strong one.
If it is a matter of justice, he says: “Who can
call me to account?”
- These words of Job clearly show his misunderstanding of the situation!
- Now think about God: For God there is no one like Job on earth, there is no one as faithful as him, and he must let Job think what he thinks because of the devil to show that he is a liar and also because all the angels are observing the situation! The more we learn about God, the more we may understand it was a really difficult and painful situation for God because he really cares about his faithful servants!
Job 9:
it is a matter of power, he is the strong one.
If it is a matter of justice, he says: “Who can
call me to account?”
- These words of Job clearly show his misunderstanding of the situation!
- Now think about God: For God there is no one like Job on earth, there is no one as faithful as him, and he must let Job think what he thinks because of the devil to show that he is a liar and also because all the angels are observing the situation! The more we learn about God, the more we may understand it was a really difficult and painful situation for God because he really cares about his faithful servants!
