You are positing traducianism. That is wrong. Our spirits come from God; they do not come from our parents. And the tendency to sin certainly does not emanate from the sperm of the father.
Kirk Cameron and annihilationism
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I believe Jesus paid in full for our (the very elect) sin debt which was DEATH, period. He never suffered in a burning hell for one second, even though I do believe that all of the wicked will perish in the lake of fires after the final judgment in that day, which IS the second and final death for them. It is indeed an everlasting judgment since there is no reversal of this final judgment.
Let us discuss this in depth.
Let us discuss this in depth.
FreeInChrist
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Why dont you start a thread titled Annihilationism debate/discussion.?
I , personally am not qualified to out and out debate this with you because I , for one have always thought it would be more merciful for the wicked to eventually cease. But at what torture before they are gone?
You still are with your predestination foothold in beliefs and I still am free-will so right there by your statement (the very elect) we are at odds.
But maybe some of those in agreement with you will debate this point.
I just think you need to start a dedicated thread to this and Ill be watching for the comments and where I feel you just might be in error.
he came down from heaven, so was Deity in nature, and now also sinless humanity in nature
There would be no true Judgement based upon severity of their sins, for a "good person: ends up in same judgement as a Hitler does
@JesusFan
First, there are none good but God alone. All others are born in sin and come forth from the womb, speaking lies and hating all except themselves ~as God defines hate and love, not as vain man does.
Secondly, have you never read so much as this:
Daniel 3:27 ~ “And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.”
Even when God cast all of the wicked in the lake of fire, he also has the power to determine the decree of hurt it shall have on each and every one of them, since he is sovereign over all things, even a world that shall be destroy by fervent heat.
Yes, there can be.
First, there are none good but God alone. All others are born in sin and come forth from the womb, speaking lies and hating all except themselves ~as God defines hate and love, not as vain man does.
Secondly, have you never read so much as this:
Daniel 3:27 ~ “And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them.”
Even when God cast all of the wicked in the lake of fire, he also has the power to determine the decree of hurt it shall have on each and every one of them, since he is sovereign over all things, even a world that shall be destroy by fervent heat.
@JesusFan
Jesus' deity consist by the very fact that the Highest conceived Jesus in Mary's womb. His humanity came by the fact that he was made flesh and came in the likeness of sinful flesh, yet sinless, by being conceived by the Holy Ghost. (Galatians 4:4; Romans 8:3; Romans 1:4; etc.)
Good morning, Red. I hope all is well with you and your family.
Jesus' deity was not because of any aspect of His flesh, conceived by the Holy Spirit or not. Jesus' deity was due to the fact that He was God who took on the flesh and blood of a human being. His deity is fully described by John 1:1-4. We humans are flesh and blood with a spirit given us from God. Jesus was flesh and blood with a Spirit that was God.
@Jim
Jim, I been thinking of you a lot lately seeing what is going on in Tucson, which is not that far from you, a couple hundred miles from you to the south east. You live where the rent is much higher!
Brother, I think we're saying the same thing, please consider: the only way possible according to what you are saying is that Jesus had to be conceived in the manner in which Jesus was conceived, so what I said is scriptural.
Jim, I been thinking of you a lot lately seeing what is going on in Tucson, which is not that far from you, a couple hundred miles from you to the south east. You live where the rent is much higher!
Jesus was and is very God
@JesusFan
Key Differences:
I understand this truth and have defended it for over fifty plus years. Jesus was indeed a complex person, fully human, yet fully God. I understand what "fully" means, yet very God, does not carry the same meaning.
Key Differences:
- Definition & Usage:
- So, I chose to used "fully" to best describe our Lord's deity.
praise_yeshua
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I actually hold a position somewhere in-between.
I believe within the seed of the women and the seed of the man, there are innate qualities of existence that at conception, produce a "living soul" or "breath". Whether in extant Hebrew or Greek, this always comes back to "breath".
Genesis 2:7 uniquely speaks of Adam. I believe the formation of Eve from Adam "split" this "breath" between them. It is one of the reasons why, if you study what most people teach as the "side/rib" of Adam, they actually get it wrong.
Adam shared (not split) his "breath" with Eve. It is extraordinarily meaningful aspect of the union of God with humanity in the relationship a man shares with a women. A "bride".
Either way, it all came from God. Which is what matters. I don't believe there is a "collections" of souls that get imparted to fetuses when they are born or conceived. They "become" living souls through the union of male and female seed within the womb and that "breath" is more than lungs.
praise_yeshua
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Just a thought..... make of it what you will. If you want to discuss, I'd like to.....
When Jesus arose from the grave, was he breathing air?
When Jesus arose from the grave, was he breathing air?
I agree swith you, as jesus was and is in his Person Fully God also fully Sinless Man
