Kirk Cameron and annihilationism

[praise_yeshua]

Do you even know what a vacuum is?

I have three degrees, the first two were mechanical engineering.

Is there any place in the blood circulatory system where there is a vacuum?

No part of the human circulatory system ever contains a true vacuum. Blood vessels and the heart always maintain positive pressure or, at most, slightly sub‑atmospheric pressure—but never an empty space.

Why a Vacuum Cannot Exist in the Circulatory System​

• Blood flow depends on pressure gradients, generated by the heart and regulated by vessel resistance. A vacuum (zero pressure) would collapse vessels and stop circulation entirely.
• Veins—especially those in the chest—can experience slightly negative pressure relative to atmospheric pressure during inhalation, but this is not a vacuum. It’s simply a mild suction effect created by changes in thoracic pressure.
• The system is always filled with blood, and vessels are designed to remain open under normal physiological pressures.

What the Evidence Shows​

• The circulatory system is a continuous, pressurized network of arteries, capillaries, and veins that must maintain pressure to move blood effectively.
• Blood flow relies on overcoming vascular resistance with heart‑generated pressure; a vacuum would prevent this entirely.

I've seen men with many degrees run forklifts off into dumpsters. Or build buildings that can't stand up to much of anything. Men that design cars and put a oil filter under the intake where someone has to design a tool to reach it or fabricate a kit to move the filter somewhere else. I could go in and on. We should debate one another's intellect live so we can see who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. I rarely find such.

True vacuum?

It is a vacuum or it is not. Keep talking. I enjoy these conversations. Don't start "word parsing". Say exactly what you mean.

Your response obviously came from an AI. Did you paste exactly what I said to search for into the search.

All AI engines have the same issues. You have to lead them to the answer when you're talking about such issues as we are discussing.

You obviously take pride in what you think you know. You need to be humbled. I'm just the guy to do it. Try me. Keep talking. If you prove me wrong, guess what I will do? I will admit I was wrong and correct my statements. I will then never repeat them again.

Have you ever done this? So don't try to scare me with correction. Please do. Embarrass me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You might like this on the Celestial City, the New Jerusalem

Somewhere in this he is going to come to the stark realization that he is a product of what he has learned.

We all are. We are either the beneificaries or the victims of the lives we live that is dramatically affected by even the "definitions" of social and scientific constructs that are designed to lead us away from God.

Half truths. Half lies all add up to form a mind that opposes God.

God's perspective is what "matters" here.

See how "matter" plays into all of this? This argument I'm having concerning a vacuum in the heart is all about the nonsense jargon people assume in trying to understand what is all around us.

I've lived a very complex life and I thank God for it. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Struggles in this life are inevitable. It forces us to become what we chose to be.

Sometimes I don't think that most anyone really knows what they want to be. When they get what they want.....

They inevitably don't want it anymore.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That would be a good conversation to have, but it would cause a ton of conflict.

 

[civic]

Jesus had n sin nature, all other humans did

if Jesus had the same flesh as we did and was like us in every way then He had the same "sin nature" as all men or the other reality is there is no inherent "sin nature" men are born with, its a gnostic belief founded by augustine who brought it over from pagan philosophy, greek philosophy and gnostic beliefs and married it with Christianity. No one believed in that concept prior to augustine.

In fact the bible clearly states one is not a sinner and guilty of sin until; they commit sin.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Jim]

I've seen men with many degrees run forklifts off into dumpsters. Or build buildings that can't stand up to much of anything. Men that design cars and put a oil filter under the intake where someone has to design a tool to reach it or fabricate a kit to move the filter somewhere else. I could go in and on. We should debate one another's intellect live so we can see who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. I rarely find such.

True vacuum?

It is a vacuum or it is not. Keep talking. I enjoy these conversations. Don't start "word parsing". Say exactly what you mean.

Your response obviously came from an AI. Did you paste exactly what I said to search for into the search.

All AI engines have the same issues. You have to lead them to the answer when you're talking about such issues as we are discussing.

You obviously take pride in what you think you know. You need to be humbled. I'm just the guy to do it. Try me. Keep talking. If you prove me wrong, guess what I will do? I will admit I was wrong and correct my statements. I will then never repeat them again.

Have you ever done this? So don't try to scare me with correction. Please do. Embarrass me.

From all of that it I can only assume that you don't really know what a vacuum is. You might look it up before proceeding in this line of discussion. And on this subject, you are not the guy to humble me. I spent the first five years of my professional career working with very high vacuum. I am not a biologist of any sort so except for my open-heart surgery several years ago, I know very little about the workings of the vascular system, but I do know there isn't a vacuum anywhere in the system. I am perfectly happy to drop this; particularly since it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[praise_yeshua]

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Yeah. It does seem odd that I would say something like that....

 

[praise_yeshua]

if Jesus had the same flesh as we did and was like us in every way then He had the same "sin nature" as all men or the other reality is there is no inherent "sin nature" men are born with, its a gnostic belief founded by augustine who brought it over from pagan philosophy, greek philosophy and gnostic beliefs and married it with Christianity. No one believed in that concept prior to augustine.

In fact the bible clearly states one is not a sinner and guilty of sin until; they commit sin.

hope this helps !!!

Look. Something we all agreed upon.

 

[praise_yeshua]

From all of that it I can only assume that you don't really know what a vacuum is. You might look it up before proceeding in this line of discussion. And on this subject, you are not the guy to humble me. I spent the first five years of my professional career working with very high vacuum. I am not a biologist of any sort so except for my open-heart surgery several years ago, I know very little about the workings of the vascular system, but I do know there isn't a vacuum anywhere in the system. I am perfectly happy to drop this; particularly since it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I know exactly what it is. It does indirectly have something to do with this. Some definitions/contexts of "vacuum" assumes the lack of matter.

I don't care if we drop this, but we have been arguing around the context of "immaterial" and "tangible vs intangible".

We can simply disagree. I don't have a problem with this, but I do enjoy these types of conversation. I sincerely mean what I say. We learn from one another. This life is all about relationships. We don't have to know it all, but it helps when we can "help one another."

I believe you will agree. Those that seek.... FIND. It is the promises of God. Seeking isn't always pleasant.

 

[JesusFan]

if Jesus had the same flesh as we did and was like us in every way then He had the same "sin nature" as all men or the other reality is there is no inherent "sin nature" men are born with, its a gnostic belief founded by augustine who brought it over from pagan philosophy, greek philosophy and gnostic beliefs and married it with Christianity. No one believed in that concept prior to augustine.

In fact the bible clearly states one is not a sinner and guilty of sin until; they commit sin.

hope this helps !!!

We all are born with a sin nature, its that flesh, and ONLY Jesus ever had a sinless human nature

 

[praise_yeshua]

We all are born with a sin nature, its that flesh, and ONLY Jesus ever had a sinless human nature

So how did Jesus not inherit this "sinful nature" you say we all have?

 

[civic]

We all are born with a sin nature, its that flesh, and ONLY Jesus ever had a sinless human nature

That’s nowhere found in the Bible.

 

[civic]

Those that are leaders don't care to be called leaders. There are no "ears and eyes" left in the body.

That would be a good conversation to have, but it would cause a ton of conflict.

We need conflict resolution therapy

 

[JesusFan]

That’s nowhere found in the Bible.

it is, but you are holding to full pel theology it seems

 

[civic]

it is, but you are holding to full pel theology it seems

not at all I'm a literalist, bible only, truth seeking believer. And the historical church after the 2-3 century didn't get everything right. especially during the reformation period with tulip and PSA.

 

[FreeInChrist]

We all are born with a sin nature, its that flesh, and ONLY Jesus ever had a sinless human nature

But the bible never explicitly says “every person is born with a sin nature.”
That phrase is a systematic theology summary, not a direct statement.

 

[civic]

But the bible never explicitly says “every person is born with a sin nature.”
That phrase is a systematic theology summary, not a direct statement.

yes its a particular systematic theology, not what the bible actually says.

 

[JesusFan]

not at all I'm a literalist, bible only, truth seeking believer. And the historical church after the 2-3 century didn't get everything right. especially during the reformation period with tulip and PSA.

The Reformers got the true gospel right

 

[JesusFan]

But the bible never explicitly says “every person is born with a sin nature.”
That phrase is a systematic theology summary, not a direct statement.

We are born into image of Adam, and as our head, received his curse of having a sin nature

 

[civic]

The Reformers got the true gospel right

Far from it since tulip is not the gospel at all. It opposes the biblical gospel

 

[FreeInChrist]

We are born into image of Adam, and as our head, received his curse of having a sin nature

If you truly believe that then tell us why it is that God the Heavenly Father wanted to make people like this?
You say the reformers got it right..... does that mean you are tied to double predestination?

After all... John Calvin spewed that one right out of his mouth an an accusatory way.