Kirk Cameron and annihilationism
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What do you think Paul meant when he said, "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"?
Do you really believe there will be streets in heaven paved with gold?
FreeInChrist
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JIM, JIM, JIM................. Who said it was to be flesh and blood.
Even Jesus was changed to
Look... get out your bible and tell me if Luke 24:39 reads differently then this
"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
Why does it say it like this?
In the Bible, Luke 24:39 states that after His resurrection, Jesus invited His disciples to touch Him, saying, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." This indicates that He was resurrected in a physical form of flesh and bones.
Living or dead? Living flesh has blood circulation. Flesh absent of blood is dead.
FreeInChrist
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I thoroughly believe that the glorified body we will have in the kingdom of God/Heaven will not need flesh, blood or bones.
Huh? Nothing evolved apart from the creator. But that doesn't mean He created, i.e., created ex nihilo, everything.
And by the way, what makes gold and precious stones precious?
civic
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So in the original creation gold is real ,literal gold but in the new creation is figurative, not literal gold.
The same with water its real water in the original creation but figurative in the new creation
The same with the tree of life in the original creation it was a real tree but that same tree in the new creation is figurative.
The same with fruit
The same with God is light its not real light we will be in darkness since God it not really light.
I do not believe that God is photons.
FreeInChrist
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synergy
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Just a minor note: I believe "psychikos" is the soul. The English word "psychology" comes from that word which denotes the subjective mind, mental state, subjective emotions, and consciousness; our soul in other words.
The only light you have ever known is the physical reaction of your eyes to physical photons.
You are the one with the mind set on the flesh; so much so that you think that you will be flesh, although glorified whatever that means, in heaven.
FreeInChrist
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@Jim....
You cannot see flesh in heaven? Of any manner?
Question. Did Adam have flesh? After all he was molded from the dirt of the ground and God breathed life into this shape that was formed.
Question. How is it if you Heavenly Father was able to take dirt and breath life into it do you not understand your Heavenly Father is more then able to take and give you a new body that does not need blood?
You cannot see flesh in heaven? Of any manner?
Question. Did Adam have flesh? After all he was molded from the dirt of the ground and God breathed life into this shape that was formed.
Question. How is it if you Heavenly Father was able to take dirt and breath life into it do you not understand your Heavenly Father is more then able to take and give you a new body that does not need blood?
What does the Bible say about glorified bodies? GLORIFIED BODIES IN SCRIPTURETHE PROMISE OF RESURRECTION Scripture consistently affirms that those who belong to Christ will be raised in glorified bodies. “It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory” (1 Corinthians 15:43). This promise serves as a cornerstone of hope for believers, pointing toward a transformation that transcends mortality. THE MODEL OF CHRIST’S RESURRECTION BODY Jesus’ physical resurrection provides the primary example of what a glorified body looks like. Following His crucifixion, He rose and appeared to His disciples in bodily form (Luke 24:36-39). Yet this body was fundamentally different from a mere resuscitated corpse: “He appeared in another form” (Mark 16:12). After the Resurrection, Jesus could enter locked rooms (John 20:19), and yet He could still eat (Luke 24:42-43). This demonstrates both a real, tangible body and capabilities that go beyond ordinary human limitations. Paul explains that believers are conformed to Christ’s glorified state: “He... will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body” (Philippians 3:21). Because Christ’s resurrected body was free from decay and physical limitations, we anticipate a future body that is imperishable and honor-filled. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EARTHLY AND GLORIFIED BODIES In 1 Corinthians 15:42-44, Paul contrasts our natural bodies with the glorified bodies we will receive. Our current bodies experience labor, sickness, and sin’s effects, but our future bodies will not. He depicts an imperishable, powerful, and spiritual existence: “It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body” (1 Corinthians 15:44). This “spiritual body” does not mean immaterial; rather, it exists under the direct life-giving power of God’s Spirit. THE TIMING OF RECEIVING A GLORIFIED BODY Believers are resurrected at the return of Christ. Paul explains, “The dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that... we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 excerpt). This indicates that at Christ’s Second Coming, those who have died and those still living will be instantaneously changed and clothed with immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). OLD TESTAMENT AND FUTURE RESURRECTION The Old Testament anticipates a future bodily resurrection. Job declared, “Yet in my flesh I will see God” (Job 19:26 excerpt). Daniel also records a promise of resurrection: “Many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake” (Daniel 12:2 excerpt). These passages foreshadow the hope of being raised in a transformed body, which the New Testament clarifies through Christ’s finished work. ASSURANCE THROUGH CHRIST’S RESURRECTION Multiple lines of early Christian and historical evidence indicate that Jesus’ tomb was found empty, and that His followers had profound experiences of the risen Christ. Researchers across a wide spectrum of belief systems acknowledge the early testimony of Paul (1 Corinthians 15:3-7) as historically reliable. This foundation supports the doctrinal claim of a future resurrection for believers. Because Christ was physically raised, His people can trust that they too will be raised with bodies made new. THE GLORIFIED BODY’S CHARACTERISTICS 1) Imperishable: There will be no sickness, aging, or death. 2) Powerful: Abilities exceed current human limitations, subject to God’s design. 3) Recognizable: Jesus was recognized after His resurrection, though sometimes not immediately (Luke 24:31). 4) Spiritual and Physical: Though glorified, the body is still “bodily,” just as Jesus ate and was touched. IMPLICATIONS FOR DAILY LIFE The promise of a future resurrection body instills hope and motivates holy living. Paul teaches that the knowledge of resurrection steadies believers in hardship: “Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast... your labor in the Lord is not in vain” (1 Corinthians 15:58 excerpt). With a guaranteed victory over death, believers are free to persevere and serve confidently. OBJECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS Some question how a physical body can be truly eternal. However, biblical teaching presents God as the all-powerful Creator, fully capable of transforming decay-prone flesh into an everlasting form. This theme aligns with reports of Christ’s miraculous healings and further underscores God’s sovereign ability to restore and renew. Others raise concerns about identity-will each individual remain truly themselves? The scriptural view is that our personal individuality continues in our resurrected state, perfected and made whole in Christ. We see this in Jesus’ post-resurrection appearances: He was identifiable as the same person, yet glorified and no longer bound by mortal weakness. CONCLUSION The Bible’s teaching on glorified bodies reaffirms God’s redemptive plan that extends to both soul and body. Because Christ secured resurrection life through His victory over death, believers look forward to a future body that is imperishable, glorious, and fit for eternal communion with God. This confident expectation not only provides comfort but also lays a foundation for hope, worship, and dedicated service in the present life. |
I have no trouble understanding that God is more than able to do whatever He chooses to do. I just don't think that there is anything of a physical or corporeal nature in heaven. There is no indication that there ever was nor is there any indication that there ever will be. All descriptions of the heavenly realm are clearly metaphorical.
I disagree with much of what that article says about glorified bodies. We can go through it if you would like, but there are just too many statements that are incorrect based upon faulty assertions and assumptions. The biggest faulty assertion is that Jesus was raised to a glorified body. The fact that He could walk through walls after His resurrection is not an indication of a glorified body. It is only an indication that He was able perform miracles after being raised just as before His crucifixion.
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FreeInChrist
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We all know you disagree. You disagree with everything.
Be that as it may... there is evidence in the 66 books that there is physical in heaven. I wont repeat them again as you have said not to it all.....
What I want to know is what proof you have in the 66 books that there is nothing physical in heaven?
Ypou do not believe 1Enoch, and I AM SURE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE Elijah was taken up to heaven in a whirlwind
Humor me for just a minute and tell me that assumoing Elijah happened as written.... Do you think he was just taken out of sight above the clouds and then vaporized to eliminate his flesh.
You know something... It would be something if once we die we find out that all those UFO sighing's that have happened actually are the bodies left behind when their spirits and souls are called up hither....
That could make a great sci-fi pic.
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