Kirk Cameron and annihilationism
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they sure do ..........
I guess bodily in your world is incorporeal- a spirit.
just the opposite of what Jesus and the Apostles said and taught. Even Job said after the worms eat his body in the future he would see God in his FLESH, not spirit.
next fallacy...........
The bible in consistent from cover to cover, the resurrection is bodily/permanent being glorified, incorruptible and immortal. We will be like Him when we see Him.
You cannot see an invisible spirit now can you ?
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I would argue that even spirit is tangible and material. I've always hated these "man made" distinctions that get embedded in the context of these arguments through unbelief and false teachings.
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We know God walked with Adam in the garden
If John saw Jesus after he was raised and you say that is how Jesus is after His ascension why would John say that what we will be has not yet appeared?
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.
2Co 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
Why would you think that? No, I am not planning on abandoning anything. I think that it is our spirit that remains when we die. The bod, returning to the dust, is no more. I have no idea what a spiritual body is, and neither do you.
The spirit is tangible and material? Seriously? Perhaps you could tell me what a spirit looks and feels like.
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Keep reading since we know there are no chapters and verses in Pauls letter. He continues the thought above, below.
2 Corinthians 4:1-18
:God in his mercy has given us this work to do, and so we do not become discouraged. 2 We put aside all secret and shameful deeds; we do not act with deceit, nor do we falsify the word of God. In the full light of truth we live in God's sight and try to commend ourselves to everyone's good conscience. 3;For if the gospel we preach is hidden, it is hidden only from those who are being lost. 4;They do not believe, because their minds have been kept in the dark by the evil god of this world. He keeps them from seeing the light shining on them, the light that comes from the Good News about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
5;For it is not ourselves that we preach; we preach Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 6;The God who said, “Out of darkness the light shall shine!” is the same God who made his light shine in our hearts, to bring us the knowledge of God's glory shining in the face of Christ.
7;Yet we who have this spiritual treasure are like common clay pots, in order to show that the supreme power belongs to God, not to us. 8 We are often troubled, but not crushed; sometimes in doubt, but never in despair; 9 there are many enemies, but we are never without a friend; and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed. 10 At all times we carry in our mortal bodies the death of Jesus, so that his life also may be seen in our bodies. 11Throughout our lives we are always in danger of death for Jesus' sake, in order that his life may be seen in this mortal body of ours. 12;This means that death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13;The scripture says, “I spoke because I believed.” In the same spirit of faith we also speak because we believe. 14;We know that God, who raised the Lord Jesus to life, will also raise us up with Jesus and take us, together with you, into his presence. 15 All this is for your sake; and as God's grace reaches more and more people, they will offer to the glory of God more prayers of thanksgiving.
16;For this reason we never become discouraged. Even though our physical being is gradually decaying, yet our spiritual being is renewed day after day. 17;And this small and temporary trouble we suffer will bring us a tremendous and eternal glory, much greater than the trouble. 18;For we fix our attention, not on things that are seen, but on things that are unseen. What can be seen lasts only for a time, but what cannot be seen lasts forever.
2 Corinthians 5:1-10
For we know that when this tent we live in—our body here on earth—is torn down, God will have a house in heaven for us to live in, a home he himself has made, which will last forever. 2;And now we sigh, so great is our desire that our home which comes from heaven should be put on over us; 3;by being clothed with it we shall not be without a body. 4;While we live in this earthly tent, we groan with a feeling of oppression; it is not that we want to get rid of our earthly body, but that we want to have the heavenly one put on over us, so that what is mortal will be transformed by life. 5;God is the one who has prepared us for this change, and he gave us his Spirit as the guarantee of all that he has in store for us.
6;So we are always full of courage. We know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord's home. 7;For our life is a matter of faith, not of sight. 8;We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord. 9;More than anything else, however, we want to please him, whether in our home here or there. 10;For all of us must appear before Christ, to be judged by him. We will each receive what we deserve, according to everything we have done, good or bad, in our bodily life.
conclusion: Once again Scripture supports what I have said in this thread about The bodily Resurrection of Jesus and the saints, not you.
hope this helps !!!
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civic
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Its amazing how people can read the text/narrative and only see what the want to believe or what their ideas already are and not what the text is saying. The Transfiguration is a perfect example that I hadn't thought about in the same way you have brought into the conversation. Its the son of man in His glory and its bodily. This is just another passage which supports the doctrine of the son of man being permanently man in His glory.
AMEN !!!
I don't understand why you would be slamming yourself like that; but it is interesting that you would call yourself our for it.
IOW, do you know the old saying of "The pot calling the kettle black"? It fits you to a tee.
civic
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projecting once again since Basic Christianity 101 is founded upon the gospel of Jesus and the centerpiece being His bodily Resurrection and Ascension. The same bodily Resurrection promised for all believers as per 1 Corinthians 15 which also declares the following facts:
1- if Christ is not risen from the dead ( bodily ) your faith is futile
2- if Christ is not Resurrected bodily you are still dead in your sins
3- if Christ is not Raised from the dead bodily you are without hope
4- if Christ is not raised from the dead bodily preaching is useless and so is your faith
5- if Christ is not raised from the dead bodily We are false witnesses
6- if Christ is not raised from the dead we make God a liar
hope this helps !!!
civic
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someone ran away from that one like it has leprosy lol.
he never could sin period
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Philippians 3:20–21
He “will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body” If He no longer has a body, this makes no sense.Our future body is patterned after His current body.
So:
No body = nothing to model
Glorified body = ongoing humanity
There is no verse saying Jesus stopped being human — but there are multiple verses saying He still is.
“Flesh and bones” after resurrection (Luke 24:39)
“The man Christ Jesus” after ascension (1 Tim 2:5)
We receive bodies like His (Phil 3:21)
He returns the same way He left (Acts 1:11)
So the temporary-humanity view isn’t biblical — it’s speculative.
If Jesus stopped being human, 1 Timothy 2:5 would be false, because Paul calls Him “the man Christ Jesus” long after the ascension. Scripture never says He ceased being flesh — only that His body was glorified.
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