civic
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Agreed He has always been Impeccable
Kirk Cameron and annihilationism
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civic
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Don’t you know man in that verse really means spirit , incorporeal and Paul made a mistake. But there are those that are actually really saying such things even though they would ever admit it.
FreeInChrist
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I suppose that actually in the long scheme of things what one believes on this is not overly important.
I only know that Jesus told them they would drink of the cup together when they were all together. I take Him at His word.
I have a curiosity of thing that go bump in the night, so it is quite easy for me to believe what is writtten.
Speaking of spirits...... anyone ever wonder about those
Matt 27:
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Not all came out but they were visible enough for those who saw them to see them....
@Jim... were these simply spirit in clothing or were they with body?
I have never met anyone who reads the text/narrative and doesn't see what they want to believe or what their ideas already are in those theological areas which they consider key to those beliefs. It is the natural thing to do. It is the principal reason that there are Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Baptists, Catholics, and whatever you claim to be. @civic, whether you admit it or not, you are as guilty of that as most. That you don't realize that you do that is only a good indication that you do that. That high horse you think you are riding as some pretty short legs.
AaronH
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This is a vaguely western theory of jurisprudence (emphasis on "vaguely") found nowhere in the bible. But I admit it does sound nice and tidy when you hear it for the first time and haven't yet had a chance to think about it.
Psalm 51:4 doesn't support the notion in any way. Few, if any, humans would penalize someone in such a way. Perhaps the most demented of the most wretched of the worst of humanity would wish their worst enemy to be locked in a place of eternal torment forever.
Man is far more merciful than God in the ECT view.
I have not, intentionally, said He no longer has a body. But I have said that He no longer has a physical body.
It doesn't say that anywhere.
Of course after being raised after His death and burial. But that body is never call anything but the same old body He had when He was crucified.
The words, "after ascension" are not there.
Like the body He has now. A body that John said has not yet appeared (1 John 3:2).
No, it says He will come back in the same way that they saw him go into heaven.
Any view of anyone in heaven is speculative.
It says what He is has never been seen (1 John 3:2). Where does it say that His body was glorified?
praise_yeshua
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Yep. Glad we have the record from God!
What a Glorious Savior is He.
That is why John said "We beheld His GLORY.... full of Grace and Truth.
praise_yeshua
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It was true and well written. I suppose you're not a Trinitarian? Trinitarians understand this.
I've admitted struggling with ECT but not in this sense.
Man is more merciful because he hasn't experienced the seemingly endless rejection of mankind like God has....
Think about it for a little bit. You're God.... and YOU are the only reason anything at all exists. You've even empowered mankind to build their own ways throughout human history. Even gave them rain when they didn't deserve it to feed their crops. Seeds to sow. Trees to breath. Isolated, men live as kings and yet still forget God.
You send your only Son to show them your humility and kindness... Yet they still endless do the same. Over and over again.
Vengeance is a difficult thing. Vengeance is for Christ rejecters. I don't have a problem with Vengeance. I deserve it. I deserve the wrath of God and He has been so very kind to me.
Man wants to be left alone yet complains when he leaves them alone....It is an endless vicious circle.
Just one question remains.
What would you do differently? That answer will bring you full circle to the inevitable conclusion that "what else could have been done"....
I preached a sermon years ago on the "Riddle of Samson."
Jdg 14:14 And he said unto them, Out of the eater came forth meat, and out of the strong came forth sweetness. And they could not in three days expound the riddle.
You'll find the words of this riddle "retreaded" in the book of Revelation.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Those who answered the riddle of Samson only knew the answer because of the wife of Samson.
Jdg 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle.
There is much bitterness to be found in "digesting" all that God has done for mankind to only have them hate Him for it. To only give Him a meaningless answer that they don't understand themselves. So unconcerned as to walk away from the best there is.....for NOTHING.
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civic
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correct and still retained the marks from His crucifixion.
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